|
On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/
how did i make a throwaway post?
|
On July 25 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no sorry, he is calling someone mafia for the things someone he is sorta defending did.
Thanks for answering. Have to reread that conversation TBH. xD
On July 25 2015 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:31 n00bKing wrote:More on the topic of Barakos: On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst. He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general. Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it. As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them. There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency. I know i have a tendency to simplify things. I should have said he called me out (which i did in the first place but noone understood my point). Anyways the point stands. And i am pretty damn sure about this.
+ Barakos read of me is super strange/wonky.
+ Barakos stance on NocturneMage is super indecisive.
+ Barakos gives a lot of town credit to n00bKing for something that is done very easily.
Adds up.
|
On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:
I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game I could say the same about you. So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so. On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that? And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there? He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay. Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game.
He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet.
Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at.
|
On July 25 2015 05:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:
I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game I could say the same about you. So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so. On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that? And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there? He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay. Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game. He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet. Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at.
i was looking for this. 
tbh i assumed this is what you were after (didn't know and too hard to check on phone, when i got home i forgot).
|
On July 25 2015 04:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:23 n00bKing wrote:
I think I may be able to clear up this misunderstanding between Rels and ruXxar. When ruXxar says "it's from another voice mafia game" he could be talking about the "finnski claims cop" line, instead of still talking about the Yakuza claim.
What's your opinion on moosy? What do you think about my evaluation of you being more warm and jokey than usual?
I don't have a particularly strong opinion on Moosy yet. He does not sound much like himself from Newbie XI (where he was Town), and he does not sound much like himself from the beginning of Newbie XII (where he was Town).
But he sounds very much like himself from the second half of Newbie XII (where he was Town) after he cut the crap.
I don't think I have directed many posts at him in this game, because his posts have not really given me any reason to question him on things.
Your evaluation of me being warm? Do you mean his evaluation? Because he brought it up before you did. And if you also think I am more warm and jokey than usual, I would give you the same explanation I gave him. You are both right about that. But I have said why that's the case.
|
n00bking do you think it's more likely that Sulfurus will flip mafia than that Barakos will?
|
Sulfurus what are your reads?
Participate in the thread.
|
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you.
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host.
So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. All of this seems terrible. 1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VT claim in there? 2) As has been mentioned, it doesn't make any sense to say that these three things add up to a "prepared post" when two of them are reactions to things that happened after the game began. So you changed gears and said that by "prepared post" you mean he thought about it a lot before posting, rather than meaning he prepared it before the game began. That explanation is hard to believe from you, because that's NOT how the term "prepared post" is used. It looks like you're changing your story after it's been pointed out that what you said can't be true. 3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them? Mate you can disagree with my post but the way you attack me is uncalled for.
Well you're probably not going to like this post any better then...
Point 1 is useless.
Well whose fault is that? You're the one who made the observation that he is claiming VT, not me. If the point is useless, I blame you for raising it. You have since said that you accidentally used "VT" to just mean "Town." If that were true, then I don't know why you mentioned it at all. There's no point in calling attention to someone claiming Town, when players claiming Town is so commonplace.
This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense.
Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it
So you say.
Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do.
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again. I did not only say that his remarks are not scum indicative. That would be an extremely subjective opinion, that you would be perfectly free to disagree with. Rather, I asked you to explain how those posts show that there was forethought behind them. Why are those not just off-the-cuff remarks, where he put his thought to the page as soon as he had them? I didn't tell you that what you think happened is NAI. I told you that I want evidence that what you think happened actually happened at all.
Here, I'll help you focus.
##Unvote
##Vote: Rels
|
On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"
I guess it makes more sense as a "lazy man approach" than anything else. But don't you think he would remember that you were teammates together in that game? And that he might expect you to notice that he's giving the same player the same type of read, as he did when he was Scum? I guess that could be a WIFOM play, but I don't know that he would try to WIFOM you when you're relatively new.
|
Would lynch today
Moosy
Barakos
+ lurkers unless they show up:
Sulfurus
Flexes.
Especially sulfurus.
This is what, your 3rd or 4th game?
Like step it up man.
I'm going to hold you to a higher standard this game.
No silk gloves.
|
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you.
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host.
So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. All of this seems terrible. 1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VT claim in there? 2) As has been mentioned, it doesn't make any sense to say that these three things add up to a "prepared post" when two of them are reactions to things that happened after the game began. So you changed gears and said that by "prepared post" you mean he thought about it a lot before posting, rather than meaning he prepared it before the game began. That explanation is hard to believe from you, because that's NOT how the term "prepared post" is used. It looks like you're changing your story after it's been pointed out that what you said can't be true. 3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them? Mate you can disagree with my post but the way you attack me is uncalled for. Well you're probably not going to like this post any better then... Well whose fault is that? You're the one who made the observation that he is claiming VT, not me. If the point is useless, I blame you for raising it. You have since said that you accidentally used "VT" to just mean "Town." If that were true, then I don't know why you mentioned it at all. There's no point in calling attention to someone claiming Town, when players claiming Town is so commonplace. This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense. Show nested quote +
Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it
So you say. Show nested quote +
Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do.
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again. I did not only say that his remarks are not scum indicative. That would be an extremely subjective opinion, that you would be perfectly free to disagree with. Rather, I asked you to explain how those posts show that there was forethought behind them. Why are those not just off-the-cuff remarks, where he put his thought to the page as soon as he had them? I didn't tell you that what you think happened is NAI. I told you that I want evidence that what you think happened actually happened at all. Here, I'll help you focus. ##Unvote
##Vote: Rels
OK noobking. You are forcing my action into your narrative.
Either way I can't deal with that on my phone so you'll have to wait tomorrow for that focus. Good night 
|
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense. Show nested quote +
Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it
So you say.
If this is about rels (i am a bit confused here) please elaborate more with quotes.
|
On July 25 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:05 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post: On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. That's how i tend to post sometimes. It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry. I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either. why is he suspicious then?
I didn't say he is suspicious, and I'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else) to vote for him. I only mean that you shouldn't take the phrasing he used to be Town-indicative. It seemed like you wanted to do that. Don't do that.
|
On July 25 2015 06:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" I guess it makes more sense as a "lazy man approach" than anything else. But don't you think he would remember that you were teammates together in that game? And that he might expect you to notice that he's giving the same player the same type of read, as he did when he was Scum? I guess that could be a WIFOM play, but I don't know that he would try to WIFOM you when you're relatively new.
I don't have a strong scum read on damdred by any means.
He's showing tendencies if his town play with hard rebuttals like in himalaya.
When damdred is mafia he has a more mellow and apathic approach to the game.
The fact this damdred is showing anger is a strong town tell for damdred IMO.
To damdred: welcome to my town list.
|
On July 25 2015 06:10 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:05 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post: On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. That's how i tend to post sometimes. It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry. I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either. why is he suspicious then? I didn't say he is suspicious, and I'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else) to vote for him. I only mean that you shouldn't take the phrasing he used to be Town-indicative. It seemed like you wanted to do that. Don't do that.
you aren't reading between the lines are you?
|
I'm not voting rels today, you'll have to look elsewhere for support n00b.
|
On July 25 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:
The fact this damdred is showing anger is a strong town tell for damdred IMO.
where exactly does this happen?
|
On July 25 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/ how did i make a throwaway post?
...really? You said "posting so I don't get modkilled." That's a throwaway post.
|
On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town.
This post is what I call a display of negative emotions.
He did not do that once in our last game as scum from what I recall.
|
On July 25 2015 06:16 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/ how did i make a throwaway post? ...really? You said "posting so I don't get modkilled." That's a throwaway post.
what do i post as the first post of the game that is not a throwaway post in your opinion?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
