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On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire.
I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that.
"ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads"
why does it make him mafia to be exact?
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damdred this tic-tac-toe guy is also scum i am pretty sure of it.
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On July 25 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet. And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town. I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case. why are you even talking to me about this right now? Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch". go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please. say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!? why?
Because it's logic.
What you say is not as important as what you do.
Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post.
It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him.
wow logic *mindexplosion.gif*
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On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.
Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi.
Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town.
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On July 25 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet. And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town. I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case. why are you even talking to me about this right now? Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch". go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please. say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!? why? Because it's logic. What you say is not as important as what you do. Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post. It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him. wow logic *mindexplosion.gif*
comment on the case please.
do not sidetrack. that's all you are doing right now in case you somehow cannot see it yourself.
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You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead
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On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead
okay who?
i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne.
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On July 25 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire. I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that. "ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads" why does it make him mafia to be exact?
The issue is he tells breshke of all the expectations he has for me as town, and when I do all these "towny" things his reaction is "wtf" instead of "oh yeah that's town ruxx"
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On July 25 2015 05:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire. I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that. "ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads" why does it make him mafia to be exact? The issue is he tells breshke of all the expectations he has for me as town, and when I do all these "towny" things his reaction is "wtf" instead of "oh yeah that's town ruxx"
no it actaully isn't.
it's more of "give reads you idiot".
which is not contradicting in any way.
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btw he reads you town... so your case is really moot.
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On July 25 2015 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead okay who? i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne.
I second the question to Damdred. 
Rayn why exactly do you think ticktoc is scum? I think I can guess, but I'd rather have you type it out in like 1-2 sentences or something.
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On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town.
I appreciate you looking out for me damdred.
It's not like we just played 2 big games in a row.
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On July 25 2015 05:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead okay who? i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne. I second the question to Damdred. Rayn why exactly do you think ticktoc is scum? I think I can guess, but I'd rather have you type it out in like 1-2 sentences or something.
he is calling someone mafia for the same things he does.
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More on the topic of Barakos:
On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place.
It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst.
He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general.
Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it.
As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them.
There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.
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no sorry, he is calling someone mafia for the things someone he is sorta defending did.
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On July 25 2015 05:31 n00bKing wrote:More on the topic of Barakos: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst. He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general. Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it. As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them. There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.
I know i have a tendency to simplify things.
I should have said he called me out (which i did in the first place but noone understood my point).
Anyways the point stands. And i am pretty damn sure about this.
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noobking what is Moose's read on you?
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On July 25 2015 03:54 Tictock wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen ...
We have hardly used up even half our day! There is still yet some time to play...
So much needless aggression, you realize you are more likely to shove a brother than an enemy?
If you try to shove an enemy, you might accidentally shove a brother. If you don't try to shove anyone, Town can never win this game.
We are nearly halfway through the Phase, and a strong majority of players have not even cast a vote yet. I'll be moving my vote soon, but I will not bother to "unvote" yet. I always hate it when a player "unvotes" without putting his vote on anyone else. Put your vote SOMEWHERE. Role PMs for VT sometimes say something like "your only weapon is your vote." We know that 80% of the Town players in this game are Vanilla. We should be USING OUR WEAPONS.
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On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back.
i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread.
i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.
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wow so weak.
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