Newbie Student Mafia XIII - Page 27

On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame.

On July 25 2015 05:31 n00bKing wrote:
More on the topic of Barakos:

It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst.

He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general.

Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it.

As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them.

There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.

On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:

So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so.

On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that?
And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there?

On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay.
Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game.

On July 25 2015 04:23 n00bKing wrote:
I think I may be able to clear up this misunderstanding between Rels and ruXxar. When ruXxar says "it's from another voice mafia game" he could be talking about the "finnski claims cop" line, instead of still talking about the Yakuza claim.

On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:

All of this seems terrible.

1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VT claim in there?

2) As has been mentioned, it doesn't make any sense to say that these three things add up to a "prepared post" when two of them are reactions to things that happened after the game began. So you changed gears and said that by "prepared post" you mean he thought about it a lot before posting, rather than meaning he prepared it before the game began. That explanation is hard to believe from you, because that's NOT how the term "prepared post" is used. It looks like you're changing your story after it's been pointed out that what you said can't be true.

3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them?

On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:

...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious.

On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:

Mate you can disagree with my post but the way you attack me is uncalled for.

Point 1 is useless.

Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it

Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do.

Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it

On July 25 2015 05:05 n00bKing wrote:

It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry.

I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either.

On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:

How so? It's the lazy man approach.

Damdred thinks like this:

"Fuck I am scum again, boring shit"
"Ruxx said a lot of crap"
"I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI"
"I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"

On July 25 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why is he suspicious then?

On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:

False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/

On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:


How so? It's the lazy man approach.

Damdred thinks like this:

"Fuck I am scum again, boring shit"
"Ruxx said a lot of crap"
"I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI"
"I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"

Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.

On July 25 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

how did i make a throwaway post?