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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On July 19 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred can you elaborate on your FF read? Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. Then what changed? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Kelsier and yamato got townier than before. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 19 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: After reading geript I thought he didn't seem too bad but kelsier is correct that yamato never actually responded to geript. I personally don't think this alone is enough to lynch geript though. I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture right..because that's all i posted did you really read? | ||
Fecalfeast
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raynpelikoneet
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Damdred
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On July 19 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: After reading geript I thought he didn't seem too bad but kelsier is correct that yamato never actually responded to geript. I personally don't think this alone is enough to lynch geript though. I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:02 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? yeh damdred, give him lessons on justifying towngeript! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeh damdred, give him lessons on justifying towngeript! I figured one person would give a sarcastic remark. Nobody responded to why I think he's town, however I think its a good point if someone says I don't think x is bad after reading they need to show some form of reasoning behind it | ||
yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 19 2015 04:29 Damdred wrote: This is a bit hard to quantify but I'll try. One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. To answer you, i don't think you are correct here. Especially the underlined part. How can you come to a conclusion geript is town when you yourself say he has been caught in inconsistancies? Also you are not proposing an alternative lynch. Which i would expect you to do if you don't truly like the lynch. Because why wouldn't you? | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On July 19 2015 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? On July 19 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? This was a general remark by me how I think certain info shouldn't be shared to town, because mafia can also read it. I can take for example the game where I was town roleblocker. It would have been nice for me to tell town who I roleblocked in the thread, but mafia knowing that could have wifomed a lot of stuff.. pff it was complicated stuff. In this particular case the "info" is just me explaining why I claimed vanilla cop. I thought about whether revealing the info gives mafia any advantage beyond town. I decided no and did it. On July 19 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. You wanted to know what I got from my reactions. Not much besides two people asking me "why you do that?" and one "any reaction and conclusion about the reaction from the claim?". I do get however that the rest, which majority is made up by town, kinda ignores it, which shows me they don't want to dug around it and hinder more important topics, which is good. | ||
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Damdred
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Ibsaid it was hard to quantify, I don't think that makes it invalid at all as he is clearly saying whatever the hell he wants if it makes sense or not. in other games he tries to get on peoples good sides and that's where it gets somewhat inconsistent. I explained what he got caught on but it doesn't invalidate what I said though, or the main poont | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:02 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? geript is not so bad because when reading his filter alone, he seems to be looking at the game as a whole rather than focusing on people until he starts in on kelsier. It looks like a towny thought process to me: 'analyse game until someone stands out, focus on them' On July 19 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote: mathematically speaking, there are more town than mafia in a given game. Therefor, criticizing someone for having too many townreads is just retarded. Are you referring to my criticism of plotspot's list? If so I am not so much scumming the amount of townreads, I am scumming the idea that he can have so many townreads this early with such weak reasoning. After reading the thread: Rayn, you're a doll for defending me so hard but I feel like that whole conversation was drawn out a lot longer than it should have been. I think after reading the geript stuff in context that he looks much worse. The reluctance to respond to questions on top of his inconsistent story make me see what the commotion is about. I could lynch geript for sure. Damdred's reasoning that geript doesn't seem to mind what people think of him and using that as reason to call him town is shaky at best. Geript is not going to have the same scum meta every time, he is a strong player in my opinion and could certainly pick up on his own meta. | ||
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Damdred
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
damd towny yam kinda scumlean jonnylaw kinda scumlean I haven't put a whole lot of effort into this game so far so that's all I can think of off the top of my head | ||
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yamato77
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 19 2015 06:00 yamato77 wrote: I think FF/geript are both good lynches why? | ||
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yamato77
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Fecalfeast
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Why are my reads silly? | ||
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