EPTOn July 19 2015 03:58 geript wrote:
Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them.
Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them.
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KelsierSC
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 03:58 geript wrote: Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them. idk his argument looks pretty solid to me. so you would probably want to elaborate, and be precise which you have lacked so far. Also you need to tell me how on earth a townie comes to conclusion "one of JohnnyLaw/rayn is mafia" based on what has happened in the game. | ||
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Damdred
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I don't think geript is a good lynch at all. Its based a bit on crappy meta and gut feelings a bit. Meh | ||
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geript
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On July 19 2015 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk his argument looks pretty solid to me. so you would probably want to elaborate, and be precise which you have lacked so far. Also you need to tell me how on earth a townie comes to conclusion "one of JohnnyLaw/rayn is mafia" based on what has happened in the game. 1. Because your townread on him is complete shit. 2. There's a good reason think each one of you is mafia. 3. How you've addressed him is exceptionally unlikely to make it that you two are aligned. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 04:03 geript wrote: 1. Because your townread on him is complete shit. 2. There's a good reason think each one of you is mafia. 3. How you've addressed him is exceptionally unlikely to make it that you two are aligned. no, this read is shit. like is your read on yamato and kelsier. | ||
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yamato77
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On July 19 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote: This is difficult. I don't think geript is a good lynch at all. Its based a bit on crappy meta and gut feelings a bit. Meh Well you should probably explain, given that a good portion of my townreads want to lynch him. | ||
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geript
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On July 19 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, this read is shit. like is your read on yamato and kelsier. Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. | ||
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yamato77
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On July 19 2015 04:12 geript wrote: Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. I'm not enough of an asshole. That is just too dumb. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 04:12 geript wrote: Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. yam didn't respond to you , he was saying you would be a good lynch. You have mentioned his response to you, and to your vote. where is this? The reason I had to ask constantly was because it was important to establish the timeline. You stated that you thought yamato was mafia for being "not short/not an asshole". This didn't ring right in my head so I checked the timeline and I asked you specifically about that post. you confirmed that the post i quoted led you to believe that yamato was mafia. But as I pointed out you had yamato as mafia before he even posted that. It was for two short posts about plynching plotspot. which goes against your reasoning I don't have to convince you that you're mafia, I just have to convince town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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So please, unless you want to just throw shit out here rephrase your argument and an answer to Kelsier's case and ACTUALLY show why he is wrong and you are not. | ||
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Damdred
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One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 04:31 Onegu wrote: Like how the hell is FF a top town read of yours rayn? He is not. My top town reads are Rels, Kelsier and yamato. | ||
Fecalfeast
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##unvote On July 19 2015 03:28 plotspot wrote: Thess are my rough reads so far. Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. to sum up this list: damd: townlean because he is involved and displays a lot of effort (where?) mecalfeast: null kelsier: Could he be town? Maybe mafia? Onegu: easiest townread ever yam: damdred said why i think he's town jonnylaw: town for no reason gerpit: no read given? rayn: town because he agree with me, though I think his reads are poorly thought out rels: null VA: townlean Where are your scumreads plotspot? Your list has 6 townreads/leans, 2 null reads and 2 people where you don't clearly state your read. bad list. | ||
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I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture | ||
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