Renegades/TDK Owner Banned from LCS - Page 3
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Saradin
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Personally more inclined to believe monte's version of events as it falls inline with how Riot has behaved in the past but that could just be my own dislike for how they operate. | ||
Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 26 2015 17:44 Numy wrote: Here's RNG/Monte's side of the story. http://renegades.gg/statement/ Take it as you will. Personally more inclined to believe monte's version of events as it falls inline with how Riot has behaved in the past but that could just be my own dislike for how they operate. Monte's version of events mostly don't conflict with Riot's, except on two points: 1. Monte doesn't mention how Badawi initially misled Riot about his conversations with Quas. As noble as their goals about keeping players informed might be, this was Badawi's second tampering infraction, and he lied to Riot about it to boot. Whatever the rules may say, Riot is judge, jury and executioner when it comes to LoL competitive rulings, so skirting on the edge of what might technically be legal regarding poaching and tampering (i.e. current poaching rules only apply to LCS teams so we should be fine, right?) is a bad idea if by doing so you're pissing Riot off and then you're caught lying to them. 2. Monte claims it's uncertain whether Badawi offered Quas a salary / contract or not, whereas Riot came to the conclusion that he did. From Riot's perspective, this is yet another lie from the now decidedly shady-looking Badawi, and the severity of his transgressions (which is not huge) is amplified by his deliberate lies and misdirection. All in all, Monte's account mostly coincides with Riot's in terms of the facts, adds some useful context and commentary (such as Riot punishing Badawi with the retroactive application of rules), and colors the story in a light that makes Badawi's transgressions seem more innocent than in Riot's account of them. Still helpful to form a more complete picture of the whole story. | ||
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I think it's also important to note that Badawi has been accused of poaching in the past by Gamers2. Granted, ocelot isn't the most believable of folk. | ||
Majax
France816 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
This was also retweeted by Reginald so yeah it seems that the other owners don't quite agree with Doombang's assessment of this :> | ||
Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
edit: It sounds like he's responding more to the new article about it? Monte/Chris's statements only really differed from Riot's POV when it came to the warning issue and how exactly he spoke to Quas. Sigh this is what happens when you say vague shit on twitter to stir more drama. You're meant to be the co-owner of Team liquid for fucksakes, start acting like it. | ||
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Bearded Elder29877 Posts
BANG. Seems like Steve was right, Reginald admitted Chris tried to poach Bjergsen and coaching staff before as well. | ||
AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19554 Posts
On July 01 2015 17:56 GolemMadness wrote: So many people on Reddit acting like this is all a big conspiracy theory. There's zero logic behind thinking that 6 different teams just decided to join together to conspire against some guy. What, because he advocated a clause in contracts to let players know when other teams are interested in them? Come on. Its not that simple, because Riot's moral codes are always mysterious and shady, so while this ruling may be correct, they are routinely not, and its really not clear that the other LCS teams dont have the same allied interest. Just copying what I wrote in another thread: On July 01 2015 18:27 cLutZ wrote: The kind of anti-poaching rules Riot are trying to enforce are pretty crappy for players and the non-CLG/TSM/Fnatic type teams given the short careers of players (3 years is impressive), short windows of competitiveness for a roster (12 months is really good), and lack of publicly available salary information. That is why I think most people don't like the rules. Personally, IMO it is impossible to run a team without violating these Riot rules, so its really just about who gets caught, who snitches, which team is salty enough about losing a player, and where Riot has an ax to grind (the Riot-Regi-Lustboy situation being the example that comes to mind). The reason conspiracy theories crop up around Riot rulings, is because everything is kept so dark, and the conspiracy theories are often more plausible than the official accounts. Like, if 5 years after the Apollo 11 landing NASA claimed to make a Mars landing (Apollo 18!) and had footage of that as well, then the moon conspiracy theorists would be much more credible than the people who believe the official accounts. | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
Also: The simultaneous slinging of mud has me side-eyeing everyone involved. Like, why couldn't you all have done this before? For example, before Riot meted out their judgement+punishment, or even before that, anytime after Chris was revealed as the owner of Misfits/RNG? Especially if he's really so problematic as they're making him out to be. | ||
Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
It seemed to me the public issue wasn't that Chris is innocent but that there are problems within the system that should be addressed. I don't see how they requires a response like this while ignoring the discussion around those issues. | ||
Redox
Germany24793 Posts
Also he should not have played the Robin Hood in public after being caught. Alleging that other team owners that you just tried to poach from treat their players unfairly is not gonna go down well. Of course it is going to illicit a public response from someone like Steve or Reginald who believe they treat their players well. Overall I dont think there is a bad guy on any side here and even less a conspiracy. Such unfortunate situations can easily arise when people with conflicting interests and view points clash. | ||
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