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Riot Games has issued a competitive ruling on Chris Badawi, Renegades (formerly Misfits) owner and minority owner of Team Dragon Knights, regarding his repeated poaching and contract tampering attempts. He will be disallowed from being an LCS owner participating in any official LCS position, as well as forced to divest his ownership stake in TDK and Renegade.
Chris Badawi, current part-owner of LCS team Team Dragon Knights (TDK) and CS team Renegades (RNG), solicited a player under contract with Team Liquid to join his team. After doing so he was notified by Team Liquid’s owner and LCS officials that soliciting LCS players under contract was a violation of league tampering rules and could disqualify him for consideration as an owner, coach, or player. Despite the warning, he again tampered with another Team Liquid player shortly thereafter. Due to this pattern of willful tampering, we are declining to certify Chris Badawi as an eligible LCS owner and issuing a one-year ban on him holding any officially recognized LCS team position (i.e. owner, coach, manager). In order for TDK and RNG to be eligible to play in the LCS next season, Chris will have to divest his ownership stake in both teams.
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-chris-badawi
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I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this.
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On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal.
From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy)
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On June 25 2015 06:34 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal. From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy)
It says he can still be in the team/organization in any unofficial riot position(coach,manager,owner), but RNG League team is part of the overall RNG team so can't he just be in another position that riot doesn't recognize as "official"? I don't see anywhere saying he's forced to sell anything.
The way I see it is that both him and Monte are co-owners/partners in the overarching RNG organization. The RNG organization is the one that owns the RNG LoL team. Monte then just becomes the official riot "owner" of the team. What am I missing?
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Wait... this is Montecristo's team lol. I wonder if he was 100% oblivious to this.
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On June 25 2015 06:38 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:34 Zess wrote:On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal. From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy) It says he can still be in the team/organization in any unofficial riot position(coach,manager,owner), but RNG League team is part of the overall RNG team so can't he just be in another position that riot doesn't recognize as "official"? I don't see anywhere saying he's forced to sell anything. The way I see it is that both him and Monte are co-owners/partners in the overarching RNG organization. The RNG organization is the one that owns the RNG LoL team. Monte then just becomes the official riot "owner" of the team. What am I missing?
Read the Q&A below. They explain it pretty well.
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For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares. Yes, it's kinda bad from competitive perspective, but everyone knows that money is big thing.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev.
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On June 25 2015 06:44 AlterKot wrote: BLOWUP TUESDAY WEDNESDAY DELIVERS We're one moved mother away from the greatest blowup ever
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On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev.
Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream.
Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb.
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How about he stops poaching players? Lol. Not that difficult. Already got warned about it what did he expect....
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Looks like CLG poached Zion just in time, before Riot realized that a slap on the wrist isn't a good deterrent for such an offense.
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On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned?
Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal.
This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do)
And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI).
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On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb.
What can you expect from organisation who basically threw Alex Garfield away due to "protecting competitive integrity", God damn.
What if he just stops giving money now and noone purchases Renegades? "Hey, what's the point for me to be there, if my name is banned from the league, can find new toy now." I'm not a believer than Ongamenet's salary and Alex Ich streaming revenue can make them paying for gaming house and other expenses unless someone like MSI jumps on opportunity after TDK dies in LCS and just sponsors them right off the bat.
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On June 25 2015 06:47 ZataN wrote: How about he stops poaching players? Lol. Not that difficult. Already got warned about it what did he expect....
Prob something like these http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-counter-logic-gaming-0 http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-counter-logic-gaming http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1574606&page=1#post14674717
On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal. This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do) And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI).
So can they or can't they be under the RNG brand? That's really what matters. Not being able to go backstage or be officially part of the team sucks but doesn't seem that big a deal if the team still falls under the organization. If they don't well those players are pretty fucked unless he figures a loophole out.
edit: seems that one lawyer guy on reddit made a post detailing more. I'll check that out to see if I get it.
Hmm no real clarity. Just some idle speculation here. I think what could happen is someone else he trusts becomes the "owner" of the LoL team then instead of RNG owning the team they are the main sponsors. That way there's enough control to warrant putting money into development of the team and keeps Riot happy. The other possibility is he just says fuck it and goes to other esports like his CSGO team while expanding into HS/Dota 2. That'll just be another investor told to piss off by Riot .
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"I met Chris and realized, he and I share the same vision when it comes to what an e.sports orgnisation should be like" - Montecristo 2015
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Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous
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On June 25 2015 06:56 AsnSensation wrote: "I met Chris and realized, he and I share the same vision when it comes to what an e.sports orgnisation should be like" - Montecristo 2015 Maybe Monte was supposed to try and poach IWillDominate and Xpecial?
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On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous
Unless your names are pobelter/aphromoo and your team GGLA. I get he's trying hard to not repeat the mistakes of the past but acting like the man is some paragon of virtue ignoring the history. It also doesn't matter how seriously Liquid takes these matters, it's Riot that decides the ruling.
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I'm surprised it happened with Keith as well. It's pretty well known that CS players are much easier to get from owners, could have just done something as simple as what loco and regi did. "yo can we try out this player?" lmao, this chris dude is a fucking joke, get this joker out of LCS please.
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Chris Badawi is a formal lawyer. Why is he not practicing anymore?
Btw this ruling changes nothing. It's going to be an Alex Garfield scenario.
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On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote: And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI). I would partially agree, but then those 3 CS:GO guys banned by Valve for matchfixing shows that it's pretty much standard nowadays.
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Eh, Badawi can always sneak funding through less direct means anyway.
At least barring someone from officially owning a team for breaking a rule multiple times/explicitly defying you is still way, way more sensible than, say, barring someone because you don't like him (see: MLB commissioner Bud Selig having kept Mark Cuban out of the ownership club to this day).
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On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous He cares very much when players he wants get 'poached', unless he's doing the poaching of course.
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On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb. he got banned probably because he was explicitly told not to do it and then did it anyways.
it's one thing to poach or attempt to poach players. it's another thing to do it, get caught, tell the poachee to lie about it, get warned not to poach, then turn around and do it again.
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A week without a drama is a boring week, damn.
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On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous
Because he didn't poach Qaus from GGLA at all no? I find it fucking hilarious that there was no legal action aginst Steve but Chris Badawi gets kicked the fuck out for doing the exact same thing Steve did to acquire Quas.
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On June 25 2015 18:24 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 18:07 Wita wrote:On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous Because he didn't poach Qaus from GGLA at all no? I find it fucking hilarious that there was no legal action aginst Steve but Chris Badawi gets kicked the fuck out for doing the exact same thing Steve did to acquire Quas. no he didn't poach quas. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/367lxm/the_double_standards_by_lcs_team_owners/crbipfxyou can make an argument that his timing was shitty since GGLA was fucked for important upcoming matches, but it was done in a fair/legal way. it's completely different from what Chris Badawi did.
Bischu seems to think he got poached.
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According to them, Quas was approached privately, agreed to play with Curse, left the ggLA house one day without warning and joined Curse's, starting to play for them. Then Curse approached ggLA to "buy" him.
That's not poaching per say, and it implies ggLA's contracts weren't too solid that they couldn't force Quas to remain even if he said "I don't want to play with you anymore" or lacked a buyout clause, but they still were pretty much presented with a fait accompli, if that is what happened. "Oh hey, Quas won't play for you anymore. Wanna let us get him? At least you'll get X $ this way instead of nothing."
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Na I was talkin about the accounts of the players, so basically what Bischu said, hence the "if this si what happened".
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Still not a good way of doing stuff. If you strip it out RNG went to Quas first they could easliy have gone to Liqiuid if he agreed to play for them. You did it to GGLA we can do it to you.
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On June 25 2015 21:13 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 21:07 Alaric wrote: Na I was talkin about the accounts of the players, so basically what Bischu said, hence the "if this si what happened". Meh then I'm not convinced Quas just randomly got up and walked out without anyone in charge knowing what it was for. Especially since the GGLA owner hasn't made a statement on it. If he was fucked over too, I don't see why he wouldn't make a statement on it/bitch to Riot about it. Clearly he made some good money off the Quas buyout or he'd have no reason to fuck over his team cause you know, his team making it to the LCS is making good money itself.
1. He has made good money out of it. 2. Maybe TL included a clause in the byout telling him to shut up about it ? Would not be a brand new thing. 3. GGLA were a challenger team. Challenger teams get fucked by LCS team on a daily basis and Riot does not give a single fuck.
I also re-read this article about challenger series (with the second part focusing on Chris Badawi point on the situation and it's quite interesting. I'm especially found of the part when Riot made an update to the rulebook (on may 22) to pressure/fuck Bawaldi because he was basically saying "if LCS teams can poach freely (and without fear of any consequence) any CS player, then CS team should be able to poach LCS players". I also agree with him that with this "anti-tempering rules" Riot is basically fucking over players and making team not accountables to them by preventing them from knowing their market worth while they're still under contract.
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On June 25 2015 21:48 Majax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 21:13 krndandaman wrote:On June 25 2015 21:07 Alaric wrote: Na I was talkin about the accounts of the players, so basically what Bischu said, hence the "if this si what happened". Meh then I'm not convinced Quas just randomly got up and walked out without anyone in charge knowing what it was for. Especially since the GGLA owner hasn't made a statement on it. If he was fucked over too, I don't see why he wouldn't make a statement on it/bitch to Riot about it. Clearly he made some good money off the Quas buyout or he'd have no reason to fuck over his team cause you know, his team making it to the LCS is making good money itself. 1. He has made good money out of it. 2. Maybe TL included a clause in the byout telling him to shut up about it ? Would not be a brand new thing. 3. GGLA were a challenger team. Challenger teams get fucked by LCS team on a daily basis and Riot does not give a single fuck. I also re-read this article about challenger series (with the second part focusing on Chris Badawi point on the situation and it's quite interesting. I'm especially found of the part when Riot made an update to the rulebook (on may 22) to pressure/fuck Bawaldi because he was basically saying "if LCS teams can poach freely (and without fear of any consequence) any CS player, then CS team should be able to poach LCS players". I also agree with him that with this "anti-tempering rules" Riot is basically fucking over players and making team not accountables to them by preventing them from knowing their market worth while they're still under contract. Boo hoo, then don't sign a long contract.
On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal. This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do) And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI). NBA made Donald Sterling sell the Clippers after he was outed as being a racist.
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On June 25 2015 22:18 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 21:48 Majax wrote:On June 25 2015 21:13 krndandaman wrote:On June 25 2015 21:07 Alaric wrote: Na I was talkin about the accounts of the players, so basically what Bischu said, hence the "if this si what happened". Meh then I'm not convinced Quas just randomly got up and walked out without anyone in charge knowing what it was for. Especially since the GGLA owner hasn't made a statement on it. If he was fucked over too, I don't see why he wouldn't make a statement on it/bitch to Riot about it. Clearly he made some good money off the Quas buyout or he'd have no reason to fuck over his team cause you know, his team making it to the LCS is making good money itself. 1. He has made good money out of it. 2. Maybe TL included a clause in the byout telling him to shut up about it ? Would not be a brand new thing. 3. GGLA were a challenger team. Challenger teams get fucked by LCS team on a daily basis and Riot does not give a single fuck. I also re-read this article about challenger series (with the second part focusing on Chris Badawi point on the situation and it's quite interesting. I'm especially found of the part when Riot made an update to the rulebook (on may 22) to pressure/fuck Bawaldi because he was basically saying "if LCS teams can poach freely (and without fear of any consequence) any CS player, then CS team should be able to poach LCS players". I also agree with him that with this "anti-tempering rules" Riot is basically fucking over players and making team not accountables to them by preventing them from knowing their market worth while they're still under contract. At this point I feel that such assumptions without any statements to back it up should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not saying your assumed scenario is impossible, but definitely less believable than the one where Liquid just buys out the contract and the owner did not want to tell his players in detail how he fucked them over. Also in regard to that link, I do think Badawi makes a good point that players tend to get taken advantage by owners but not because of poaching rules like the article says. Poaching rules are necessary, but Riot will have to adjust it to allow players more time to test the market. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2rn123/discussion_should_riot_change_to_poaching_rules/There was an interesting discussion there about this topic. Anyway got a bit off track there but the point is that I don't think we should say the GGLA situation and RNG situation is the same when one clearly broke the rules (whether for a good reason or not) while the other didn't. Argue about double standards or morality all you want but lets be real. if say, Liquid sold Quas to RNG right before playoffs, everyone would be giving him shit for fucking the team and players over, not Badawi for buying him. People just have an easier time viewing GGLA as the victim because Quas was a lot more valuable to them than he was to Curse. If it was the other way around the vast majority would be blaming Liquid for incompetency/greed.
No I distinctly remember there was some articles around the circumstances of quas' acquisition. It is roughly as Bischu stated, Quas was 1v9ing the challenger scene and then Liquid112 pretty much saw him approached him privately and signed him. It wasn't as drastic as one day he didn't appear for matches the day he was supposed to, but he pretty much gave the team less than a week to find a new toplaner. Those are the facts, I can't find the references cause I'm at work but I'm 100% those were the facts.
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It's really more like the damage to the business of the NBA that the Sterling stuff was causing that got him ousted, as he was always kind of infamous for being a racist slumlord (who really ought to have been kicked out way earlier after having received the largest housing discrimination fines by the US government a couple of times). But yea, it was once sponsors started pulling out from the Clippers that things got rolling. The league being a business partnership between ~30 owners finally outweighed their (very powerful) fear of setting a precedent for kicking each other out.
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Here's RNG/Monte's side of the story. http://renegades.gg/statement/ Take it as you will.
Personally more inclined to believe monte's version of events as it falls inline with how Riot has behaved in the past but that could just be my own dislike for how they operate.
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On June 26 2015 17:44 Numy wrote:Here's RNG/Monte's side of the story. http://renegades.gg/statement/ Take it as you will. Personally more inclined to believe monte's version of events as it falls inline with how Riot has behaved in the past but that could just be my own dislike for how they operate. Monte's version of events mostly don't conflict with Riot's, except on two points:
1. Monte doesn't mention how Badawi initially misled Riot about his conversations with Quas. As noble as their goals about keeping players informed might be, this was Badawi's second tampering infraction, and he lied to Riot about it to boot. Whatever the rules may say, Riot is judge, jury and executioner when it comes to LoL competitive rulings, so skirting on the edge of what might technically be legal regarding poaching and tampering (i.e. current poaching rules only apply to LCS teams so we should be fine, right?) is a bad idea if by doing so you're pissing Riot off and then you're caught lying to them.
2. Monte claims it's uncertain whether Badawi offered Quas a salary / contract or not, whereas Riot came to the conclusion that he did. From Riot's perspective, this is yet another lie from the now decidedly shady-looking Badawi, and the severity of his transgressions (which is not huge) is amplified by his deliberate lies and misdirection.
All in all, Monte's account mostly coincides with Riot's in terms of the facts, adds some useful context and commentary (such as Riot punishing Badawi with the retroactive application of rules), and colors the story in a light that makes Badawi's transgressions seem more innocent than in Riot's account of them. Still helpful to form a more complete picture of the whole story.
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As always, the truth is probably somewhere in between.
I think it's also important to note that Badawi has been accused of poaching in the past by Gamers2. Granted, ocelot isn't the most believable of folk.
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This was also retweeted by Reginald so yeah it seems that the other owners don't quite agree with Doombang's assessment of this :>
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Liquid112 is such a drama queen on social media. If you have something to say then say it don't sit there teasing one liners all the time. Doombangs statement is obviously going to be bias towards his side but we already got the Riot statement which is bias towards their side so between the two we have a clear enough picture of what went down.
edit: It sounds like he's responding more to the new article about it? Monte/Chris's statements only really differed from Riot's POV when it came to the warning issue and how exactly he spoke to Quas. Sigh this is what happens when you say vague shit on twitter to stir more drama. You're meant to be the co-owner of Team liquid for fucksakes, start acting like it.
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this is just juicy as fuck. That guy is so shady that reginald even started working with travis again. The only guy I hope this all works out for is Alex Ich.
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So many people on Reddit acting like this is all a big conspiracy theory. There's zero logic behind thinking that 6 different teams just decided to join together to conspire against some guy. What, because he advocated a clause in contracts to let players know when other teams are interested in them? Come on.
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Doesn't seem likely but I don't get why Riot would find no evidence of any of this? They themselves aren't providing any evidence to support their facts so the only side we can really turn to is Riot as a "third party(well not really)" who supposedly already looked into it and found it baseless or not sufficient evidence. This is turning into a Soap opera. I don't even know what it achieves as the guy is banned from LCS for 2 years anyway. Other gaming communities don't really give a fuck about "poaching" so it's not like it effects his brand in any other game.
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On July 01 2015 17:56 GolemMadness wrote: So many people on Reddit acting like this is all a big conspiracy theory. There's zero logic behind thinking that 6 different teams just decided to join together to conspire against some guy. What, because he advocated a clause in contracts to let players know when other teams are interested in them? Come on. Its not that simple, because Riot's moral codes are always mysterious and shady, so while this ruling may be correct, they are routinely not, and its really not clear that the other LCS teams dont have the same allied interest. Just copying what I wrote in another thread:
On July 01 2015 18:27 cLutZ wrote: The kind of anti-poaching rules Riot are trying to enforce are pretty crappy for players and the non-CLG/TSM/Fnatic type teams given the short careers of players (3 years is impressive), short windows of competitiveness for a roster (12 months is really good), and lack of publicly available salary information. That is why I think most people don't like the rules.
Personally, IMO it is impossible to run a team without violating these Riot rules, so its really just about who gets caught, who snitches, which team is salty enough about losing a player, and where Riot has an ax to grind (the Riot-Regi-Lustboy situation being the example that comes to mind).
The reason conspiracy theories crop up around Riot rulings, is because everything is kept so dark, and the conspiracy theories are often more plausible than the official accounts. Like, if 5 years after the Apollo 11 landing NASA claimed to make a Mars landing (Apollo 18!) and had footage of that as well, then the moon conspiracy theorists would be much more credible than the people who believe the official accounts.
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Since when does Travis do interviews with TSM? Since when do we have 6 teams all make statements together about an issue that they're not even all involved in?
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The bangwagoning is real by some of the organisations giving statements. Sit the eff down, TIP. =_=;;
Also: The simultaneous slinging of mud has me side-eyeing everyone involved. Like, why couldn't you all have done this before? For example, before Riot meted out their judgement+punishment, or even before that, anytime after Chris was revealed as the owner of Misfits/RNG? Especially if he's really so problematic as they're making him out to be.
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This whole thing stinks so bad. Honestly it may all be true but I don't even care anymore. This isn't how "professional" organizations should act. The ruling body investigated the allegations and delivered punishment as seen fit, if you have a problem with the investigation then you show why with ample evidence showing how things are. You don't go on a public slander campaign. I'm honestly surprised Nazgul let TL be a part of this.
It seemed to me the public issue wasn't that Chris is innocent but that there are problems within the system that should be addressed. I don't see how they requires a response like this while ignoring the discussion around those issues.
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I think fundamentally Badawi has a point. The poaching rules are too strict and mainly a disadvantage to the players. But even if he was genuinely looking out for player interests, at the same time he was also serving his own interests. As a probable new LCS owner he wanted to aquire new players. Of course the poaching rules were in his way then. And to flat out ignore a rule that is in your way and that you dont like is not the way to go. It might actually make it more difficult to change things.
Also he should not have played the Robin Hood in public after being caught. Alleging that other team owners that you just tried to poach from treat their players unfairly is not gonna go down well. Of course it is going to illicit a public response from someone like Steve or Reginald who believe they treat their players well.
Overall I dont think there is a bad guy on any side here and even less a conspiracy. Such unfortunate situations can easily arise when people with conflicting interests and view points clash.
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