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Riot Games has issued a competitive ruling on Chris Badawi, Renegades (formerly Misfits) owner and minority owner of Team Dragon Knights, regarding his repeated poaching and contract tampering attempts. He will be disallowed from being an LCS owner participating in any official LCS position, as well as forced to divest his ownership stake in TDK and Renegade.
Chris Badawi, current part-owner of LCS team Team Dragon Knights (TDK) and CS team Renegades (RNG), solicited a player under contract with Team Liquid to join his team. After doing so he was notified by Team Liquid’s owner and LCS officials that soliciting LCS players under contract was a violation of league tampering rules and could disqualify him for consideration as an owner, coach, or player. Despite the warning, he again tampered with another Team Liquid player shortly thereafter. Due to this pattern of willful tampering, we are declining to certify Chris Badawi as an eligible LCS owner and issuing a one-year ban on him holding any officially recognized LCS team position (i.e. owner, coach, manager). In order for TDK and RNG to be eligible to play in the LCS next season, Chris will have to divest his ownership stake in both teams.
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-chris-badawi
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I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this.
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On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal.
From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy)
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On June 25 2015 06:34 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal. From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy)
It says he can still be in the team/organization in any unofficial riot position(coach,manager,owner), but RNG League team is part of the overall RNG team so can't he just be in another position that riot doesn't recognize as "official"? I don't see anywhere saying he's forced to sell anything.
The way I see it is that both him and Monte are co-owners/partners in the overarching RNG organization. The RNG organization is the one that owns the RNG LoL team. Monte then just becomes the official riot "owner" of the team. What am I missing?
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Wait... this is Montecristo's team lol. I wonder if he was 100% oblivious to this.
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On June 25 2015 06:38 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:34 Zess wrote:On June 25 2015 06:30 Numy wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out how this effects him. It seems he will still be Co-owner of the RNG team but he just won't the the "owner" of the LCS squad(If they make it)? Does that even do anything? To my knowledge owners don't get a salary from Riot so I'm really confused on this. He's forced to sell his ownership stake in both teams which is actually quite a big deal. From the context of the punishment, it seems especially sever because he directly disobeyed Riot (which they like to punish for; see: Reginald punished for announcing Lustboy) It says he can still be in the team/organization in any unofficial riot position(coach,manager,owner), but RNG League team is part of the overall RNG team so can't he just be in another position that riot doesn't recognize as "official"? I don't see anywhere saying he's forced to sell anything. The way I see it is that both him and Monte are co-owners/partners in the overarching RNG organization. The RNG organization is the one that owns the RNG LoL team. Monte then just becomes the official riot "owner" of the team. What am I missing?
Read the Q&A below. They explain it pretty well.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares. Yes, it's kinda bad from competitive perspective, but everyone knows that money is big thing.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev.
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BLOWUP TUESDAY WEDNESDAY DELIVERS
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On June 25 2015 06:44 AlterKot wrote: BLOWUP TUESDAY WEDNESDAY DELIVERS We're one moved mother away from the greatest blowup ever
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On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev.
Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream.
Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb.
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How about he stops poaching players? Lol. Not that difficult. Already got warned about it what did he expect....
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Looks like CLG poached Zion just in time, before Riot realized that a slap on the wrist isn't a good deterrent for such an offense.
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On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned?
Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal.
This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do)
And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI).
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb.
What can you expect from organisation who basically threw Alex Garfield away due to "protecting competitive integrity", God damn.
What if he just stops giving money now and noone purchases Renegades? "Hey, what's the point for me to be there, if my name is banned from the league, can find new toy now." I'm not a believer than Ongamenet's salary and Alex Ich streaming revenue can make them paying for gaming house and other expenses unless someone like MSI jumps on opportunity after TDK dies in LCS and just sponsors them right off the bat.
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On June 25 2015 06:47 ZataN wrote: How about he stops poaching players? Lol. Not that difficult. Already got warned about it what did he expect....
Prob something like these http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-counter-logic-gaming-0 http://na.lolesports.com/articles/competitive-ruling-counter-logic-gaming http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1574606&page=1#post14674717
On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote:On June 25 2015 06:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: For some reason, I can't imagine Florentino Perez getting banned from buying out star after star, lol. Like, who in the world cares.
Fine him if you want, but forcing someone who's willing to spend money into basically giving Riot more traffic? Idk, Kev. Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal. This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do) And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI).
So can they or can't they be under the RNG brand? That's really what matters. Not being able to go backstage or be officially part of the team sucks but doesn't seem that big a deal if the team still falls under the organization. If they don't well those players are pretty fucked unless he figures a loophole out.
edit: seems that one lawyer guy on reddit made a post detailing more. I'll check that out to see if I get it.
Hmm no real clarity. Just some idle speculation here. I think what could happen is someone else he trusts becomes the "owner" of the LoL team then instead of RNG owning the team they are the main sponsors. That way there's enough control to warrant putting money into development of the team and keeps Riot happy. The other possibility is he just says fuck it and goes to other esports like his CSGO team while expanding into HS/Dota 2. That'll just be another investor told to piss off by Riot .
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"I met Chris and realized, he and I share the same vision when it comes to what an e.sports orgnisation should be like" - Montecristo 2015
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Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous
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On June 25 2015 06:56 AsnSensation wrote: "I met Chris and realized, he and I share the same vision when it comes to what an e.sports orgnisation should be like" - Montecristo 2015 Maybe Monte was supposed to try and poach IWillDominate and Xpecial?
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On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous
Unless your names are pobelter/aphromoo and your team GGLA. I get he's trying hard to not repeat the mistakes of the past but acting like the man is some paragon of virtue ignoring the history. It also doesn't matter how seriously Liquid takes these matters, it's Riot that decides the ruling.
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I'm surprised it happened with Keith as well. It's pretty well known that CS players are much easier to get from owners, could have just done something as simple as what loco and regi did. "yo can we try out this player?" lmao, this chris dude is a fucking joke, get this joker out of LCS please.
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