Btw this ruling changes nothing. It's going to be an Alex Garfield scenario.
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Btw this ruling changes nothing. It's going to be an Alex Garfield scenario. | ||
AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote: And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI). I would partially agree, but then those 3 CS:GO guys banned by Valve for matchfixing shows that it's pretty much standard nowadays. | ||
Saradin
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At least barring someone from officially owning a team for breaking a rule multiple times/explicitly defying you is still way, way more sensible than, say, barring someone because you don't like him (see: MLB commissioner Bud Selig having kept Mark Cuban out of the ownership club to this day). | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous He cares very much when players he wants get 'poached', unless he's doing the poaching of course. | ||
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 25 2015 06:45 Numy wrote: Yea then saying it doesn't effect the players. That's why I'm so confused by this. Can he just sell the slot to the RNG company and have Monte be the owner? Or will they deny that too. The seems like the only way that everyone comes out of this happy. Riot gets to say they slapped some punishment and don't have his name on their game but the players don't get completely fucked by losing their income stream. Overall I think it's dumb. Teams have poached players in the past even after being in LCS for over a year yet get fined but this guy gets banned? Not to mention he didn't even succeed in getting any players lol. Man I just think the whole poaching/tampering situation is so dumb. he got banned probably because he was explicitly told not to do it and then did it anyways. it's one thing to poach or attempt to poach players. it's another thing to do it, get caught, tell the poachee to lie about it, get warned not to poach, then turn around and do it again. | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:05 MooMooMugi wrote: Steve LiQuid112 Arhancet takes poaching very seriously, he really values his players and Chris's attempt to poach Quas + another TL member ignoring his warnings and LCS regulations is just ridiculous Because he didn't poach Qaus from GGLA at all no? I find it fucking hilarious that there was no legal action aginst Steve but Chris Badawi gets kicked the fuck out for doing the exact same thing Steve did to acquire Quas. | ||
krndandaman
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On June 25 2015 18:24 krndandaman wrote: no he didn't poach quas. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/367lxm/the_double_standards_by_lcs_team_owners/crbipfx you can make an argument that his timing was shitty since GGLA was fucked for important upcoming matches, but it was done in a fair/legal way. it's completely different from what Chris Badawi did. Bischu seems to think he got poached. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then Curse approached ggLA to "buy" him. That's not poaching per say, and it implies ggLA's contracts weren't too solid that they couldn't force Quas to remain even if he said "I don't want to play with you anymore" or lacked a buyout clause, but they still were pretty much presented with a fait accompli, if that is what happened. "Oh hey, Quas won't play for you anymore. Wanna let us get him? At least you'll get X $ this way instead of nothing." | ||
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Majax
France816 Posts
On June 25 2015 21:13 krndandaman wrote: Meh then I'm not convinced Quas just randomly got up and walked out without anyone in charge knowing what it was for. Especially since the GGLA owner hasn't made a statement on it. If he was fucked over too, I don't see why he wouldn't make a statement on it/bitch to Riot about it. Clearly he made some good money off the Quas buyout or he'd have no reason to fuck over his team cause you know, his team making it to the LCS is making good money itself. 1. He has made good money out of it. 2. Maybe TL included a clause in the byout telling him to shut up about it ? Would not be a brand new thing. 3. GGLA were a challenger team. Challenger teams get fucked by LCS team on a daily basis and Riot does not give a single fuck. I also re-read this article about challenger series (with the second part focusing on Chris Badawi point on the situation and it's quite interesting. I'm especially found of the part when Riot made an update to the rulebook (on may 22) to pressure/fuck Bawaldi because he was basically saying "if LCS teams can poach freely (and without fear of any consequence) any CS player, then CS team should be able to poach LCS players". I also agree with him that with this "anti-tempering rules" Riot is basically fucking over players and making team not accountables to them by preventing them from knowing their market worth while they're still under contract. | ||
Gahlo
United States34973 Posts
On June 25 2015 21:48 Majax wrote: 1. He has made good money out of it. 2. Maybe TL included a clause in the byout telling him to shut up about it ? Would not be a brand new thing. 3. GGLA were a challenger team. Challenger teams get fucked by LCS team on a daily basis and Riot does not give a single fuck. I also re-read this article about challenger series (with the second part focusing on Chris Badawi point on the situation and it's quite interesting. I'm especially found of the part when Riot made an update to the rulebook (on may 22) to pressure/fuck Bawaldi because he was basically saying "if LCS teams can poach freely (and without fear of any consequence) any CS player, then CS team should be able to poach LCS players". I also agree with him that with this "anti-tempering rules" Riot is basically fucking over players and making team not accountables to them by preventing them from knowing their market worth while they're still under contract. Boo hoo, then don't sign a long contract. On June 25 2015 06:50 Zess wrote: Nothing really affects the RNG team and from my reading that's the goal. This Chris guy is basically kicked out of LCS though. He can do esports-y stuff but he can't come to LCS as a part of the team and be backstage (which is what Official LCS Positions let you do) And since Riot has the monopoly of League as an esports, and League is currently the biggest esports, it's kind of a scary big deal. The dude fucked up and the punishment seems reasonable, but the implications of "Riot owns the cool kids club and if you don't behave we kick you out" aren't implicit in other esports areas (except possibly being banned by Valve from TI). NBA made Donald Sterling sell the Clippers after he was outed as being a racist. | ||
krndandaman
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DiggerNicks
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On June 25 2015 22:18 krndandaman wrote: At this point I feel that such assumptions without any statements to back it up should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not saying your assumed scenario is impossible, but definitely less believable than the one where Liquid just buys out the contract and the owner did not want to tell his players in detail how he fucked them over. Also in regard to that link, I do think Badawi makes a good point that players tend to get taken advantage by owners but not because of poaching rules like the article says. Poaching rules are necessary, but Riot will have to adjust it to allow players more time to test the market. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2rn123/discussion_should_riot_change_to_poaching_rules/ There was an interesting discussion there about this topic. Anyway got a bit off track there but the point is that I don't think we should say the GGLA situation and RNG situation is the same when one clearly broke the rules (whether for a good reason or not) while the other didn't. Argue about double standards or morality all you want but lets be real. if say, Liquid sold Quas to RNG right before playoffs, everyone would be giving him shit for fucking the team and players over, not Badawi for buying him. People just have an easier time viewing GGLA as the victim because Quas was a lot more valuable to them than he was to Curse. If it was the other way around the vast majority would be blaming Liquid for incompetency/greed. No I distinctly remember there was some articles around the circumstances of quas' acquisition. It is roughly as Bischu stated, Quas was 1v9ing the challenger scene and then Liquid112 pretty much saw him approached him privately and signed him. It wasn't as drastic as one day he didn't appear for matches the day he was supposed to, but he pretty much gave the team less than a week to find a new toplaner. Those are the facts, I can't find the references cause I'm at work but I'm 100% those were the facts. | ||
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