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On July 01 2015 02:13 bookwyrm wrote: What will you forfeit to me when he wins the general election by a landslide proving your statement completely wrong? Hes not unelectable thats a load of hooey I'll send you up to 80 euros worth of books.
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I hope Sanders does well, I really do. I think that Clinton is a much more viable candidate on the whole, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. If I don't think I am Nadering my vote, I'd happily vote Sanders from what I've seen.
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On July 01 2015 06:48 ThomasjServo wrote: I hope Sanders does well, I really do. I think that Clinton is a much more viable candidate on the whole, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. If I don't think I am Nadering my vote, I'd happily vote Sanders from what I've seen.
Yeah Clinton would have this locked if she didn't have the email thing eating into her trustworthy numbers. Sanders is as legit as politicians come(with a shot to win anyway), so republicans drilling on Hillary creates a unique opportunity for Bernie. He doesn't have to run negative ads but there will still be a dozen candidates and their superPAC's running them.
He get's the upside of negative ads without the downside, using the establishments against themselves in a rather brilliant way.
Oh and he's running as a democrat so unless there's some freaky shit at convention and Hillary steals a nomination. He's not running as an independent (which has received mixed reviews).
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If clinton steals the nomination then we are going to go all chicago 68 at the DNC
Im almost excited
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It's way more than the email thing
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George McGovern is not satisfied that 10 million Americans go to bed hungry every night. George McGovern is not satisfied that four and a half million Americans -- families -- live in rat infested and roach encrusted houses. George McGovern is not satisfied that in this nation of ours -- in this great nation of ours -- our infant mortality is so high that we rank 21st in all the nations of the world.
George McGovern brings out of the prairies of South Dakota a new wind, a wind that will be able to lift the smog of uncertainty from throughout our great land of ours. We need unity; and we can only have unity with a new face and new ideas and new ideals. The youth of America rallied to the standards of men like George McGovern like they did to the standards of John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy.
And with George McGovern as President of the United States we wouldn't have to have Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago! With George McGovern we wouldn't have a National Guard. You bet! You bet!
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For people who wanted to see that he does share his views with a majority of Americans.
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Ill cry, literally cry, if another Bush gets elected. Hillary isnt that good of an alternative in my eyes. This guy seems alright, too bad that money wins elections and the only chance for him to win is to "do an obama" and get alllll the money half-way through.
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On July 02 2015 04:29 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Ill cry, literally cry, if another Bush gets elected. Hillary isnt that good of an alternative in my eyes. This guy seems alright, too bad that money wins elections and the only chance for him to win is to "do an obama" and get alllll the money half-way through.
“Very few people thought that I would beat an incumbent Republican to become United States congressman from Vermont by 16 points,” Sanders said. “And people weren’t so sure I could beat the richest person in Vermont to become a United States senator.
“Don’t underestimate me,” he added
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Im not underestimating him, but maybe he is underestimating Clinton Budget. Here's to me being wrong!
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84% Rand Paul 68% Sanders Clinton 51% Bush 43% Ben Carson 74%
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74% Ben Carson, ehh? Do you think prison rape proves that homosexuality is a choice too?
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United States1225 Posts
10,000 people at the Madison rally! The dream is real guys. Keep hitting the social media and canvas canvas canvas!
Even saw some decent coverage of the rally on CNN, MSNBC and shit. The momentum is building. :D
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Primaries are gonna be fuuuun.
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On July 03 2015 07:29 Souma wrote: Primaries are gonna be fuuuun.
I just wish we could have at least half as many debates as last time. The limiting of debating by both parties is pretty transparent.
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I like the debates. I remember a debate of Obama vs. Romney where Romney said something that was demonstrably false and the host lady corrected him and republicans were like IT'S A DEBATE YOU DON'T GET TO CORRECT THE POLITICIAN'S OUTRIGHT LIE. That was the best.
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I am a long-time GOP supporter. During my teenage years, I witnessed Reagan, contrary to the narrative today, being a very pragmatic moderate Republican. After providing the economy with some Keynesian stimulus in the form of tax cuts, as the economy got back on its feet we saw him increase taxes to help reduce the deficit. He closed loopholes for the wealthy. He granted amnesty (something I oppose but it shows how he was willing to compromise.) He worked with Tip O’Neill to salvage Social Security.
While I did not support Iran Contra, I proudly registered to become a Repbulican just in time for the upcoming election of 1988. I voted for H W Bush, and after being impressed with his pragmatism (i.e. raising taxes although they were unpopular) I voted for him again. During the Clinton Presidency, however, I began to notice a substantial shift to the right. They pushed legislation like DOMA and NAFTA, which I could absolutely not support. However, they showed willingness to compromise with Clinton on major issues such as welfare reform and balancing the budget, so I was not yet ready to abandon the GOP, although I did vote for Perot in ’96.
In 2000, I voted for W, noting the pragmatism of his father and his seemingly reasonable ‘compassionate conservatism.’ However, I quickly noticed things were a bit off. He began the War on Terror and simultaneously cut taxes, even though wars are generally financed through tax hikes. He then expanded Medicare, and again he did not pay for it. I was upset with this, but I was also sucked into the whole “we need a strong leader to defeat terrorism,” which I was convinced John Kerry was not, so I voted for him. Deficits kept rising, the wars were failing, and the WMD claims turned out not to be true. Then the economy collapsed thanks to deregulation, and I strongly regretted my decision to vote for him. In 2008, I refused to vote for McCain, because he seemed way too far right on foreign policy, abortion, and gay marriage (shouldn’t small government supporters be pro choice,) but I also didn’t vote for Obama as his rhetoric seemed extremely far left.
Of course, when Obama got into office, I quickly realized that he was actually, if anything, a moderate Republican. He passed the ACA (Heritagecare) bill, extended the Bush tax cuts (even for the wealthy at first!), and steered us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. After the 2010 wave elections for the Tea Party, I was disgusted with how far right the Republican party had gone, and began noticing the blatant racism. I found republicansforobama.org, a group of people closely reflecting my views, and voted Obama in 2012 and Democrat in 2014. I lurked on Reddit for a few months, reading r/politics regularly, and was amazed by Bernie Sander’s policies. Everything he did was for the American worker, from protecting them from outsourcing and cheap foreign labor, to fixing the budget deficit by hiking taxes on the rich, to boosting the minimum wage. He’d be considered a centrist back in the 80s, which is why he has my vote.
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This is what we've been saying in the US politics thread for years.
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On July 02 2015 21:16 farvacola wrote: 74% Ben Carson, ehh? Do you think prison rape proves that homosexuality is a choice too? No.You don't have to agree with everything a candidate says, just on the balance.Actually I'd never even heard of Carson until i did the quiz so have not looked at his positions.
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