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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On June 30 2015 06:04 Bannt wrote: I took the quiz and got something like 87% Bernie Sanders. That makes me uneasy though, since I don't really know a ton about quite a few of the issues I just picked things that sounded good initially. I don't really know what kind of deeper impact a lot of these issues have. Does Bernie represent what the average citizen with limited understanding of all the implications of each issue wants? Seems like a great way to get votes for sure. I'm just worried that the obvious and popular answers may not be the best answers. Try retaking the questionary but weighing issues you feel not knowledgable enough about with "least". If you also mark questions you feel strongly about with "most" you should be provided with far more accurate results. I (and probably everybody) cannot know if Bernie is just trying to collect votes with what he perceives as extremely popular stances. However, it seems that a lot people (including me) believe that he is very trustworthy - incorporating values such as honesty and integrity that the hordes of career politicians lack. Anecdotal experience of mine: I spent an year in Vermont (06/07) and my host insisted on taking me to the elections to show me the election process in the US. I remember that I was astonished how big the ballot was and how many positions were elected simultaneously. According to wikipedia there were "the gubernatorial, all state offices, including all state senators and representatives, the federal Congress and the US senate." In the few months I had spent in the US I had learned that my host was a die-hard republican. Consequently, he didn't hesitate to just chalk up the republican candidate for every single position. However, to my surprise he did not vote republican for the one senate seat. When I asked him why, he just casually told me that Bernie is great... I never gave it much thought what was great about him until I heard that he is running for president. And honestly, after reading a bit about him, I'd say that he indeed seems to be great. | ||
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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22620 Posts
On June 29 2015 11:25 LuckyFool wrote: Any reason why, or just a feeling? The past year or so especially democrats have generally been getting destroyed in elections, last November was a bloodbath. Obviously we have the whole cycle to go through, but I expect it's going to be very competitive. I think this explains it pretty well. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On June 30 2015 08:07 bookwyrm wrote: Yeah bernie IS great. And part of the reason he is so great is precisely what you say - his ability to win votes off the GOP instead of a strategy based solely around mobilizing the base. Bernie can actually debate the republican candidate and STEAL THEIR VOTERS I feel like that's not really needed. I am afraid that beating Hillary will be much more difficult for him than beating anybody form the GOP... | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22620 Posts
On June 30 2015 08:42 ggrrg wrote: I feel like that's not really needed. I am afraid that beating Hillary will be much more difficult for him than beating anybody form the GOP... It is rather convenient that the GOP planned their campaign on who could beat up Hillary the best. Bernie would never do anything with all that Email stuff, but he still benefits from the incessant drilling on it dropping her trustworthy numbers. Coincidentally trustworthy and sincerity are things Bernie oozes. If we were debating already like last election he would be doing even better. Typical politicians look like bad actors next to him. | ||
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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
On June 30 2015 08:42 ggrrg wrote: I feel like that's not really needed. I am afraid that beating Hillary will be much more difficult for him than beating anybody form the GOP... psssssh. Hillary Clinton is a sinking ship and sanders is bulletproof. The supposed inevitability of a clinton nomination is nothing but an attempt by oligarch-run media to create a self fulfilling prophecy. #dontbelievethehype | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 30 2015 08:09 GreenHorizons wrote: I think this explains it pretty well. https://youtu.be/hFrsmi-wazI?t=15s I would have liked a little more explanation why states like PA and NH (PA elected a Republican senator in 2014) will be impossible states for GOP to win in 2016. PA generally runs blue, but NH? I don't know. I guess we'll have to buy the argument that more blue voters show up for presidential elections. Honestly though until we narrow it down to just the two candidates and see who their running mates are it's silly to make sweeping statements about how "x" has no chance to win a historically contested state. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22620 Posts
On June 30 2015 11:03 LuckyFool wrote: I would have liked a little more explanation why states like PA and NH (PA elected a Republican senator in 2014) will be impossible states for GOP to win in 2016. PA generally runs blue, but NH? I don't know. I guess we'll have to buy the argument that more blue voters show up for presidential elections. Honestly though until we narrow it down to just the two candidates and see who their running mates are it's silly to make sweeping statements about how "x" has no chance to win a historically contested state. I wouldn't agree with the absoluteness of his rhetoric but it's a pretty reasonable summation of why republicans face quite an uphill climb. The longer Trump's out there the harder it's going to get for whoever wins. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 30 2015 11:16 GreenHorizons wrote: I wouldn't agree with the absoluteness of his rhetoric but it's a pretty reasonable summation of why republicans face quite an uphill climb. The longer Trump's out there the harder it's going to get for whoever wins. I've heard some stuff that GOP loves Trump in the spotlight right now, keeping the media fully focused on him and not on trying to dig up crap on the others or bring the others down. At this stage I think most of the candidates would rather fly under the media radar until it gets closer to voting time. We'll see how this strategy pans out though, because with 15+ GOP candidates resources are going to be spread thin in the Republican camp for a while. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 29 2015 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote: Many of his positions are supported by the majority of Americans. Bernie has the votes, they just aren't registered or typical politically engaged people. If everyone that agreed with Bernie supported and voted for him in a primary then general he would win by a significant majority. One important difference between Ron Paul and Sanders is that Sanders positions, while atypical, are actually supported by so many people, far more than ever supported Ron Paul's positions. Are they? I recall one liberal famously saying in 1972 that she didn't know a single person who voted for Nixon - yet Nixon ended up winning 49 states. The typical American voter is pretty conservative - far from the demographics of TL. I do find this excitement for Sanders exciting - it's nice to see people getting excited over a candidate, very reminiscent of 2008 Obama. That being said, I caution against over-optimism. Candidates usually look a lot better before elections, but once they take office and the realities of politics and policy set in, many voters feel disappointment and betrayal. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22620 Posts
On June 30 2015 11:34 Bagration wrote: Are they? I recall one liberal famously saying in 1972 that she didn't know a single person who voted for Nixon - yet Nixon ended up winning 49 states. The typical American voter is pretty conservative - far from the demographics of TL. This is the last article I posted about it. I suspect as Sanders gets more popular and more of his issues are getting more consistently polled you'll see more. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-americans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/ I do find this excitement for Sanders exciting - it's nice to see people getting excited over a candidate, very reminiscent of 2008 Obama. That being said, I caution against over-optimism. Candidates usually look a lot better before elections, but once they take office and the realities of politics and policy set in, many voters feel disappointment and betrayal. This isn't Bernie's first rodeo  He's been saying what he means and doing what he says for a long time. He's honest about the fact that he can't do it on his own, even if he get's elected the people that got him elected have to keep working. If congress thinks turnout will drop back down to 30%-40%'s after his election they will keep doing what they've been doing (nothing helpful) But if they see turnouts double in their districts, you can believe they will start paying attention to what Bernie and his supporters are saying. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 30 2015 11:50 GreenHorizons wrote: This is the last article I posted about it. I suspect as Sanders gets more popular and more of his issues are getting more consistently polled you'll see more. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-americans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/ This isn't Bernie's first rodeo He's been saying what he means and doing what he says for a long time. He's honest about the fact that he can't do it on his own, even if he get's elected the people that got him elected have to keep working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7y8ZJQmnUQ If congress thinks turnout will drop back down to 30%-40%'s after his election they will keep doing what they've been doing (nothing helpful) But if they see turnouts double in their districts, you can believe they will start paying attention to what Bernie and his supporters are saying. I guess we'll have to see as the primaries draw near. Soon it will be 2016, and the candidates really begin to slug it out in earnest. Until then, speculation will remain speculation. I do look forward to a competitive Democratic primary - something about Hilary doesn't sit quite right with me. On June 30 2015 08:09 GreenHorizons wrote: I think this explains it pretty well. https://youtu.be/hFrsmi-wazI?t=15s Yup, the electoral landscape doesn't favor the Republicans - though I think the MSNBC was a bit liberal on the strength of the blue wall (pun intended), as Virginia is definitely not a safe blue state, and Georgia is usually a very solid red state. Still, the point stands - Democrats need to win far fewer battleground states compared to Republicans. However, the biggest weakness IMO is that there doesn't seem to be a very strong Republican candidate yet. A strong Republican candidate that has centrist appeal (good luck getting that AND surviving the primaries) could grab all the battleground states, and win decisive Reagan-esque electoral victories. Thus, I'd argue that the blue wall that Democrats have used to win the past few Presidential elections was based not only on demographics, but also weak Republican presidential candidates that were hamstrung by the radicalized primaries - leading to lop-sided wins. The radicalization of the Republican primaries has been a huge boon for Democratic White House ambitions. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
edit: I got 98% Bernie on that test that was linked. 2% Rubio tho, so I'm still undecided I guess | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22620 Posts
On July 01 2015 04:03 Djzapz wrote: I admire your optimism guys. At least for now. Don't worry, we're nice people, we'll let you on the wagon when you're ready  Hillary really doesn't have something to end the email issue, Bernie is the perfect counter as the republicans and superPAC's are basically doing the same thing they are accusing Hillary of. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 01 2015 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote: Don't worry, we're nice people, we'll let you on the wagon when you're ready Hillary really doesn't have something to end the email issue, Bernie is the perfect counter as the republicans and superPAC's are basically doing the same thing they are accusing Hillary of. I'm from the wrong country, all I can do is watch the wagon and say "Bernie Sanders 2016" every time I start a game of Counter Strike. | ||
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