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On June 18 2015 01:07 boxerfred wrote:I really like Kelsier thus far, I skimmed through his filter. His red/green post caught my attention. He's been musclin' his ways through the conversation, not afraid of verbal elbows and stuff, gives decent and reasonable reads. I saw his vote on BM and checked why, it's because HF wants to test a theory? Please explain that I don't really know what's going on. That brought me to HF's filter. I don't like this post. Saying "look I'm following my meta" means to me that he's aware of his meta, thus able to change it. I liked the post about the two ways of how to play around meta, this one: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any  seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not. Especially since this post: + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 13:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:48 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs. I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game? Probably useless because they keep changing every minute. It just looks towny and I feel like GB might be mafia trying to blend into town... Same way I feel about damdred. Is it wrong of me to be scum reading some of the more active posters? I feel like I should be town reading them for being so open with their thoughts. zzzz lots to learn. umm well I would say that one of the things about hunting mafia is that surface-level things can often be red herrings. For example I hesitate to scum read active people too, and I think it is natural because a lot of the time scum don't put in a lot of effort. However it's not quite so clear cut because a lot of scum teams have one or two lurky players and a couple others who blend in or even attempt to lead town. e.g. I know I am not one to back down as scum and I know other players like Ace, BC, etc. who are also pretty active as scum. So here I would not hold activity as a high regard or alignment indicative unless you know a particular player does not care for playing one alignment or another. For example both Onegu and LS favor one alignment over the other; Onegu prefers to play scum and LS prefers to play town, so in the last game I played after I started suspecting LS of being scum when I looked at his past games there were a lot of similarities in effort and read quality between LS's play that game and his previous scum games. What I think is more important than activity but along the same lines is the level of effort someone makes in qualifying or justifying particular stances they take in the game. Scum are unlikely to give specific reasons for the things they say because a lot of the time they are faking. In the cases where they are not faking (e.g. when they make "townreads") sometimes they give themselves away in the way that they will come to a certain conclusion through a thought process that isn't organic or doesn't appear to be grounded in events that occur in the thread. Signs that this is the case can be seen when a scum player responds to a request to elucidate a town read. If you agree that the target is town, see if your reasons match, and if not, try to see if the provided reasons are specific and make sense in the context of the thread. If they are not really backed up by anything or somehow come out of nowhere they are probably scum. So instead of surface level things like aggressiveness, activity, lack of activity, etc. I think it's better if you try to look at motivation. e.g. if I were in X player's perspective and I were town, what would I do? Try to see if what they are actually doing can be explained from one perspective vs another. Certain things can be explained from both perspectives but you can filter those things out and try to identify the things that are indicative one way or another. Often times perspective analysis, at least for me, is easier from a town perspective because there are certain things that mafia "would never do", or at least be very unlikely to do, for example defend a particular player in a situation where doing so would attract a lot of attention. and especially that part right here: "What I think is more important than activity but along the same lines is the level of effort someone makes in qualifying or justifying particular stances they take in the game." (taken from the spoilered post) make me think how much effort HF actually put in his vote. Especially since not too long before that post, he answered to a rather long thing on him here: + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format
rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format
1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town  yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude... badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something. there's also this post: Show nested quote +
kk
townreads at present:
fidei
damdy
breshke
gb
ls
in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those anything else is leans
The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that? Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2 2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:-rolls around the thread- hihihihi ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude... badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP what does that even mean you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? so do you actually think he is town or not? oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ okay. can you tell me what you like about Dam? he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her... First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points. Later, the best part is that she says this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:
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aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks you. I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss? It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm? can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat a "toneread" is not a reason. it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town". What the hell does that even mean did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum? Let's see that side by side: Show nested quote + i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ Show nested quote +did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it?
what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum? The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all? Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town." Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did. and then there's this Show nested quote +
aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads! She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people: BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads. So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either. good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_- fine 1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now 2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read 3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_- my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >> the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum ..with a very short, yet not too well thought out answer: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:54 Holyflare wrote:
ok rsoultin thing is basically
tone
weird pushing on needless shit that i do all the time (literally the last 3 games i've played town in)
arguing semantics
fighting bugs on pointless things too
I don't like that. ##vote HolyFlare
Explain what you don't like about holyflare's accusation on RS. I don't, and I don't think anyone should really understand why you think holyflare is your top scum unless you actually substantiate that because for me, all you're saying is "his posts are not alignment indicative despite peoples' meta reads" and "I don't like his accusation he's scum." ???
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On June 18 2015 01:35 KelsierSC wrote:I don't know why you unvoted him in the first place. clearly mafia.
because there is no greater tease than afking my vote on rsoultin
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On June 18 2015 01:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:35 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
and bm -.- I don't know why you unvoted him in the first place. clearly mafia. because there is no greater tease than afking my vote on rsoultin
never laugh at live dragons.
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I guess I'll give my town circle really shortly. Just found out class is cancelled today.
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Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
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On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
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On June 18 2015 01:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why? my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
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On June 18 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why? my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him. It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
yeah I need some more time on him
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On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
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On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
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On June 18 2015 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why? my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him. It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself. yeah I need some more time on him
Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm?
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btw for any of you doubters that rsoultin is scum, just look at this
there's some worse ones out there but I don't think they are really appropriate although I guess you guys can decide for yourselves
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On June 18 2015 01:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why? my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him. It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself. yeah I need some more time on him Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm?
what do you think of Kelsier? I think he's got some fairly stupid opinions/reads but he comes off as town to me
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On June 18 2015 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:51 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe (Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why? my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him. It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself. yeah I need some more time on him Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm? what do you think of Kelsier? I think he's got some fairly stupid opinions/reads but he comes off as town to me
I agree that I think he's town he does this stuff all the time as town from what i remember playing with him.
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On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this
maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him
where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why?
also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it.
You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
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Ye Grande Ole Town Circle
LightningStrike - I don't personally see you as particularly towny but I'm sure you've been spewed by now. People are giving you town reads like candy and so many people are saying that your scum meta is so weak that I'll trust them. At least one of the people reading you town for the meta has to be town.
HolyFlare - For the reasons I mentioned before, I think that his early play was so calm and I guess kinda suicidal that I don't think he's scum for it. I think that what he did is something that people could see as scum really easily and being an experienced player, I don't think that he would do that as scum. He wasn't really building cases, OMGUSing, etc. and I feel like under pressure he would've tried to do more of that if he was scum. Looks like bored town to me slowly turning into a scum hunting butterfly. He's also paying attention to time stamps and stuff which I like.
Breshke - Kind of feels like he's coming from a towny perspective? I liked his earlier posting with his soft/hard defense of bugs, not so much his last bit. Feels like he's paying attention to detail and trying to construct a decent town circle even though I don't agree with some of them I like his reasoning for it. Only thing to mention here is that I think he might be tip toeing around giving a read on RS. Would be interesting to see RS's flip and see what kind of interaction we can gather from them. Either way, he's not my lynch for today.
Vayne - I wish he gave a good reason for calling Damdred scum but I'm townreading him for not giving a read on Damdred at all. He gave like 3 scum reads and 2 of them were practically AFK. I asked him for his reasoning for including Damdred scum because not only did he stick out in that list, I had him as scum as well. He said he didn't really have a reason and that most people were just AFK reads. I think that as scum, your best way to blend in with town is to give substantiation behind your reads and to have people you call super town or super mafia, etc. The way he's posting kind of feels like to me that he is genuinely trying to make a town circle in his head (though his posts reeks of him only skimming and not paying attention to detail). Doesn't feel like a mafia trying to fabricate reads.
KelsierSC - Straight up his interaction with me when we were talking about Onegu was very towny imo. I think that most people would've called my push on Onegu as weak and bad, even if Onegu ends up being scum, because even I thought that my reason for thinking that Onegu was scummy was kind of weak and I tried to get us back on track of finding actual reasons for calling people scum. Kelsier went a bit deeper and found what I think was a pretty good reason as to why Onegu could've done what he did as scum, way better than mine but off of what I posted. Also, his response here was really sick and sounded town to me. (I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS READ AGAIN BECAUSE GRAMMAR)
GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today.
Those are my towns at the moment. I have a couple of leaning town but I can't really explain them really well. Most of it is just tone. Similarly, a lot of my scum are lurkers and I'm willing to lynch almost anyone with less than 1 page of filter (except Vayne) but the main people I want to look at that have posted so far are Damdred and Shockey.
Damdred - I don't think that Damdred is bringing on the fire that he I expected him bring. I think that as town, he's more likely to be annoyed that people are calling him scum and would ask people specifically as people call him scummy why they think so. ESPECIALLY when most people aren't explaining why they think he's mafia. Wouldn't that infuriate him if he was town? I think he's trying to avoid it because he isn't really under much heat and he can just avoid getting voted on by not really addressing it since most people will probably forget they have him as scum.
Shockey - I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Oh fuck I forgot. Boxerfred gives me bad vibes too but I'll say it in another post. This WoT is probably becoming unreadable.
##Vote: Shockey
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On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
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On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
you have to use I'm not I in those situation or you sound even more like an idiot.
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Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting.
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On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
so you still have no scum reads of your own. shocker.
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