EPTWhich leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage
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VayneAuthority
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Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage | ||
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VayneAuthority
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justanothertownie
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On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv. Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. | ||
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justanothertownie
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VayneAuthority
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VayneAuthority
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justanothertownie
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On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote: and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Fine. I do not agree but that explains that part. Yes, marv has been reasonable with bf but he was clearly interrogating him and coming to the same conclusions I did while he showed doubts about fuba being scum several times. It absolutely makes sense for bf to kill him. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote: I will explain this to you calmly and without calling you an idiot, boxerfred. If you are town then lynching you does not help town in the slightest. The first duty of a townie is to not get mislynched and that is written in the guides for a reason. You argue that town needs to get rid of you because you are an distraction which is not entirely wrong but flawed logic. If you are town and we lynch someone else then that person could be scum. If you are town and just give up then we are wasting a lynch on you and we won't even get any information out of it because scum does not even have to justify voting for a martyr that won't play the game. That post stuns me. I just gave you the easiest way to jump on me and get me lynched and you did not take it. ##unvote On June 12 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote: Justanothertownie give me your thoughts. Why does that case on you from mig make mig mafia? Explain why it can't come from a town mig. Boxerfred, if you agree with mig's case on justanothertownie why would that change your opinion on mig's alignment and make him mafia if justanothertownie flipped town if you're agreeing with everything he is saying? Surely that just makes him misguided? Why not consider any of the other people that aren't saying things you agree with? Also, boxerfred, why do you think marvellosity was killed? Also, a public service announcement. Please, in future, try to take the higher ground in arguments and answer the questions people ask no matter whether you think they are stupid or not. I agreed with Mig's place because I wasn't too fond of JAT being town in the first place. I townread him rather early and got to regret that for reasons I named. However weak or strong those reasons are now, I thought they were quite good when I initially stated them. The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT. That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game. Hm. Why do I think marv was killed. Actually I'm asking that myself just now for the first time so let me just write down my stream of thoughts. I feel like most people (especially JAT) read him as town before he was killed. I'm not sure about that, it's more a gut feeling. I myself did not have a town read on him because I fought with him all the time, however his filter indicated to me (as I posted) that he does not have a really scummy appearance. Let's say I leaned him slightly town before he was killed, without being really sure as I was in NaCl. Hm, okay, that's how we went into the night. The scum team knows the alignment of marv so they put him, I guess along with NaCl, on their "top town to find out about us" list. That's why they decide to kill him, although he was on a wrong path with Chezinu. Might've happened to put more blame on me even, since I was already likely to get lynched at that point and they saw that I react spontaneously to thinks and might be caught in an overreaction as soon as someone claims that I insisted on killing him. Scum would've thought like this if I'm right: "Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out." However, there was no need to point that out this day, because I went nuts and am quite close to getting lynched. Hm, I'm trying to imagine other reasons to kill marv. Who was marv pushing besides Chezinu? He was pushing fuba a bit on D1 but that's not really telling too much. Hm. ______ Going into "why was marv killed", I'd like to ask why Artanis was killed N1. How could scum be so sure that the claim was for real? On June 05 2015 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Marv is probably town for reasons JAT would hate. I liked Sodium Chloride's case on Mig. Wouldn't consider it a lock though. I also like Prplhz in that he wasn't afraid to go after Chez, a dangerous move to anyone that knows him. Also feels too forthcoming and relaxed to be scum. Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though." So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim. I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote: and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game? | ||
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justanothertownie
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On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote: marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote: marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Also you're now just doing what I said in the above (longer) post: "Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out." That's not a blame, I'm just saying. Can't really say anything about it since my post came after yours and you wouldn't believe me that I didn't refresh before I hit the post button anyways. At least I wouldn't believe that. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On June 12 2015 01:42 boxerfred wrote: Also you're now just doing what I said in the above (longer) post: That's not a blame, I'm just saying. Can't really say anything about it since my post came after yours and you wouldn't believe me that I didn't refresh before I hit the post button anyways. At least I wouldn't believe that. Fair enough. I am not calling you scum for the nightkill - plenty of people had reason to kill marv. I am just clarifying that it does not exonerate you at all because you definitely had reason to kill him if you are mafia. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense. Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that? On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote: Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that? On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no. No, I personally do not believe NaCl is scum. And sure scum could have killed marv to incriminate you but usually scum just kills townies that are on the right track and if fuba isn't mafia then NaCl was NOT on the right track. But this whole discussion is more or less WIFOM anyways. Fact is marv is a good kill for any scumteam. | ||
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justanothertownie
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I personally do not believe NaCl is scum. And sure scum could have killed marv to incriminate you but usually scum just kills townies that are on the right track and if fuba isn't mafia then NaCl was NOT on the right track. But this whole discussion is more or less WIFOM anyways. Fact is marv is a good kill for any scumteam. hmkay, I get this. So what do we do now? | ||
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NaCl`y
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NaCl`y
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On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote: I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post. ##unvote ##vote fuba and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong? Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though. | ||
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justanothertownie
16309 Posts
On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote: I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post. ##unvote ##vote fuba What exactly did you like about it? | ||
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