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On June 12 2015 01:57 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong? Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though.
You answered it yourself - the case is poor. I stated why before and gave several examples of things he said that do not make me scum at all.
1) I do not think town Mig makes this bad of a case.
2) If town Mig made this bad of a case then he would at least do more than that. He isn't trying to figure out anyones alignment and instead content with sitting on his poor case without reevaluating despite people telling him that it is bad. He isn't questioning anyone else, he isn't interacting with anyone else in general and he doesn't give reads on anyone else.
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parroting thread sentiment: I kinda like boxer's recent posts as well.
HTS do you have a lynch list, have you posted it already?
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Prior to the whole spiel with Boxer I was looking at boxer and fuba. Now along with fuba, I also think we might need another look at Mig.
So at this point, fuba and Mig.
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Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
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On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though."
So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim.
I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD.
I thought about this part of the post and I went back and looked at the Day 1 reactions. In thread were Slam, Marv, Yamato, JAT, FF, prplhz along with Artanis. Yamato had ridicule all around, but Mig in that thread was nowhere to be seen.
prplhz gave an lol artanis, Slam straight up called both FF and Artanis fakeclaims, and then after the former rescinded, Artanis drops the crumbs and FF, you posted this.
On June 06 2015 05:17 Fecalfeast wrote:Wait you're not joking? come on man why would you claim now?
The only person who appeared to believe directly in thread was yamato the page following.
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On June 12 2015 04:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Prior to the whole spiel with Boxer I was looking at boxer and fuba. Now along with fuba, I also think we might need another look at Mig.
So at this point, fuba and Mig.
You are the only person to even mention my case on BF, btw. <3
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
I thought he did? Or not the question you were expecting?
On June 12 2015 01:39 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game?
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On June 12 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though."
So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim.
I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD.
I thought about this part of the post and I went back and looked at the Day 1 reactions. In thread were Slam, Marv, Yamato, JAT, FF, prplhz along with Artanis. Yamato had ridicule all around, but Mig in that thread was nowhere to be seen. prplhz gave an lol artanis, Slam straight up called both FF and Artanis fakeclaims, and then after the former rescinded, Artanis drops the crumbs and FF, you posted this. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 06 2015 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lock.
Jail.
Jailkeeper. Wait you're not joking? come on man why would you claim now? The only person who appeared to believe directly in thread was yamato the page following.
Are you asking me why I reacted like that?
I thought artanis and I were just, as you europeans might say, 'avin' a giggle. When he started acting like his claim was serious I felt like I contributed to outing a blue.
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On June 12 2015 04:12 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. I thought he did? Or not the question you were expecting? Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:39 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game?
Yes he talks about NACL but keep in mind this is the guy BF made a case on and then complained profusely about being ignored. Even complaining about VA being afk in the posts I had to read to catch up this morning. All he has to say to VA when he comes back is a softball question?
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FF, when Artanis claimed, given the quote above, you asked why he was claiming? Did you believe him immediately?
On June 06 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 NaCl`y wrote:
@FecalFeast
Since you are around and are a point of contention. Can you weigh in on these claims?
Also, why is it that you complain about the state of the game earlier but then make no attempt to change that whatsoever? I think I agree with JAT that artanis' claim is only worth it if mafia thinks they've been found out. As town idk why he would claim there and believed it was a joke so completely that I counterclaimed him to join in on the fun. I think you claim is ass all around. I complain while making no effort because that's what my brain tells my fingers to do.
I see the above, I see why you joked around and then you followed up saying "let's wait for night actions to resolve".
Where did you stand on Artanis' claim once it was clear he wasn't joking?
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Never mind you ninjaed me.
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I could see BF trying to appease JAT on one hand (the part where he unvotes him) but at the same time I do like the part where he wants to re-evalute what happened D1 at the time Artanis' claim for any potential TMI.
I do agree the nightkill thing is wifom and not fully productive either.
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On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
This sort of is in line with some of the things we said during the night cycle, the one post where you concluded he didn't care who got lynched.
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EBWOP - the one post where you concluded Mig (not BF) didn't care who got lynched.
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I really need to step back and re-evaluate BF from D1. I know I've read all the cases but the thing that has me worried about him is the whole TMI on Yamato. I can see a vet knowing Yamato's distinguishable scum meta of just not playing/doing anything ping him but for someone in their second game, I am a bit concerned.
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I have to run errands but that's probably a good idea HTS
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And no, yamato was not in BF's first game, NSM10. That could possibly be the only way he'd have any sort of background on him. I don't think this guy shadowed anyone prior to starting at TL. I know some of the other EU newbies (Rels, Disformation, etc) are, but not him I don't think.
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Dinner's ready here but I'll be back to do just that.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
First I do not think motivation is a problem for this guy. He wanted to keep going when he was basically confirmed scum in his last game, remember? And I don't know what to make of his sudden turnaround. He is clearly trying to appease me regardless of his alignment. I have a somewhat hard time seeing a townie going from taunting me and calling me basically 100 % mafia to this because of one post where I told him that martyring is not the way to go as town. He could also just have noticed that the antagonizing/martyring won't save him and therefore he changed his strategy.
There is no opening for scumreading NaCl. That is bullshit.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically.
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