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On June 12 2015 09:51 Mig wrote:Isn't wishy washy fuba an indicator of his town play? + Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote:
Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now.
In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper".
I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it.
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From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself. So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta.
I think it's also a combination of this and the fact that unlike Carnival he's not providing reads as easily. That is another sticking point I have with him.
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On June 12 2015 09:51 Mig wrote:Isn't wishy washy fuba an indicator of his town play? + Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote:
Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now.
In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper".
I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it.
##Vote 17ninjabunnies
From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself. So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta.
Yeh I actually did see that post before a few others did but the reads was the other compare/contrast point we differentiated from his Carnaval play.
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On June 12 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote:
I actually to answer your question have less of a problem with the case, I felt I debunked your case on him re: Artanis well I felt he honestly took all aspects into consideration prior to lynching Artanis. If you want to disagree fine, but that's where I stand. I don't understand some of your vote switches and both FF and I looked to you as if you didn't care who got lynched. We - or at least I - had a bigger problem with that.
I already stated earlier when talking to JAT that I have had very little time on my PC during this game. People can choose to believe it or not but if I die and flip town you will know I was telling the truth. So I have had very little time to actually post and push my cases / build the necessary trust with the town that would make them listen to me. Unfortunate but it is just how it is.
And when people aren't listening to what I am saying then I am going to move and switch my vote to who I feel is the next most likely person to be mafia. I am not going to just waste my vote. And I did think there was a really good chance chez was mafia when I switched to him, which I stated here
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote:
Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia.
Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that.
I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos.
I was wrong about chez being mafia but my reasoning was right, I don't think chez actually thought I was mafia and he was just bullshitting random stuff.
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Also btw for your point about not caring who got lynched. I was around right before yam was lynched and when people discussed the possibility of switching last minute I said yam was the better lynch. So read the timeline for that if you think I don't care at all about what I feel is the best lynch.
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Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred?
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Both Fuba and Boxerfred have an inordinate amount of things that make them mafia and a miniscule amount of things that make them town. I'm not sure I agree with you that Fuba is wishy washy so much in this game Mig. You cited his Chezinu read as towny but if you actually reread it there was a multitude of information being said that made Chezinu seem like a clear mafia lynch while Fuba was outright denying it repeatedly despite the evidence. This is the Fuba from carnival who adopted other people's reads to develop his own. He did not do that in the slightest. I posted a very convincing argument that Chezinu could not be a cop after his day 1 play which Fuba ignored quite a few times with non-meaningful information.
Also, Half The Sky, I'm not sure I understand your lurker comment. If Yamato77 posts 1 small post and afk's for 6 hours and then posts another small post and ignores questions then he is classified as a lurker. Either way the TMI argument unfortunately still exists.
I am quite happy to lynch either of the two if I am being honest. I think I would prefer a Fuba lynch - at least I think so - after that Boxerfred post that seemed quite thought out and genuine.
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On June 12 2015 10:08 Mig wrote:
Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred?
I don't know if it's because you haven't played for a while but a lot of mafia like to post alternative theories to be correct. Especially if they aren't that great at playing as mafia and need something to talk about. There's nothing easier than talking about the correct assumption after all.
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I'm not even sure how you come to this conclusion when we lynched Yamato77 for this exact reason.
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No my point is fubas a lurker as mafia right? If someone's meta as mafia is to lurk then usually they look for the easy way out, which is to post nothing when they don't have to.
Yam isn't a lurker
Also again this post feels townie to me
On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such.
Just feels more open and not like hes carefully crafting his posts to try and avoid suspicion.
Anyway I could be wrong, neither of my points guarantee that fuba is town or anything but I think boxer is more likely to be mafia at this point.
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NAC do you think the scum team is fuba and boxer? If not who is the remaining mafia?
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Yam isn't a lurker
Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia.
I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game.
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On June 12 2015 10:36 Mig wrote:
NAC do you think the scum team is fuba and boxer? If not who is the remaining mafia?
It could be any variation of fuba/boxer/vayne or you. I prefer fuba since he does not talk enough at all and Boxerfred does and would maximise the chance of figuring him out in another cycle potentially.
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Ok I might be totally off on Yam meta, that was my experience with him 1.5 years ago.
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What do you think about the part of boxers long post that I quoted, never considering the possibility that me and JAT could both be town?
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On June 12 2015 10:36 NaCl`y wrote:
Yam isn't a lurker
Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia.
I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game.
Who the hell are you? If you are HF I might have to reevaluate you.
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On June 12 2015 09:39 Mig wrote:Anyway meh, maybe I am wrong about JAT. But everyone shitting on my case is annoying. I don't see any 100% lock I have found the mafia cases by anyone else. I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town? Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it. I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here. For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie?
Being a dick is not alignment indicative for many people and I am certainly not one of them. If someone is acting retarded I reserve the right to call him an idiot - deal with it.
Tell me why should I townread you for a really bad case on me? When you never ever reevaluate even though multiple people tell you how crappy it is? If you are town then I am probably holding you to a standard which is too high but from my limited experience with you I do not see this as town Mig.
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On June 12 2015 09:28 Mig wrote:Hi I am here, what do you guys want my reads on everybody? NAC/hts obvious fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba. fancy feast and prplhz - I lean town on both of them but they arent strong reads for Fancy feast I thought his jump onto yam felt really natural and townie. Didn't try to take any credit, wasn't wordy etc. Didn't seem like he was concerned at all that someone might call him for bandwagoning. Then had this post which I thought was good + Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:[refrains from talking about replacement] chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote:
Got about 15 minutes left for lunch.
Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch?
But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town.
##Vote yamato77 This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] +On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote:
Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] +Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VAShow nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu.
He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument. For prplhz, mainly leaned town because it felt like he was actually trying to look at things with an open mind and he wasn't afraid to fight with JAT day1, when in the past I have seen prplhz lurk really hard as mafia, which FF pointed out before as well. He has done nothing the past couple days so if I am wrong about any of my town reads it is probably prplhz. So then that leaves boxer/JAT/vayne Vayne I have no fucking clue JAT I have made my case Boxer I discussed a bit, probably the scummiest thing I think he did was his case on JAT. Basically telling a bs story and misconstruing some events to try and fit his narrative. one thing also for boxer + Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
Seems reasonable except why doesn't boxer even consider the possibility that me and JAT are both town? According to this his first thought was that I could be scum and I am attempting to set up another mislynch. Shouldn't his first thought have been that I am probably town and seeing the same thing as him if he thinks JAT is scum? Feels like boxer is retroactively writing his own narrative for how he wants the story to be seen.
Like imagine you are me and town. And you know how easy it is to read you town. Then there is this guy who is a pretty decent town player usually and makes an incredibly weak case on you, never reevaluates this and does nothing else really.
Look at this post of yours. Your scumreads are boxer, who earlier - before I specifically called you out on it - never even appeared in your paranoia worlds - and your reason for scumreading him is a case on your biggest scumread. VA who is at best a coinflip and me who is obviously town. There is no scumread for which you have provided any kind of sound reasoning. It also does not look like you put in any effort to come to this conclusion (sorry, if you did but it does really not look like it).
Would you townread yourself in my position? I think not.
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are you calling mig scum or what?
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On June 12 2015 14:18 prplhz wrote:
are you calling mig scum or what?
Are you reading the thread at all? How can you possibly miss that?
Yes, I do.
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