EPT[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia - Page 77
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
NaCl`y
131 Posts
| ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
fuba On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. First paragraph: Gives a read on both claimers (saltine and artanis) but defers both reads to what others have said. Lightly throws scum on someone for changing their mind by saying the change makes him "..uncomfortable" Bonus: describes himself when scumming boxerfred On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote: [snip] I really have trouble understanding how my D1 returns to the thread are consistently underwhelming, when they're almost always the same kinds of posts. Literally 100% of my town games involve returning to the thread to have at least one person declare my entire post scummy, without actually addressing anything that I've said. Case in point. Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato. brb shower Does any of this make JAT scum? What alignment were the people who did this to you in other town games? You're just appealing to emotion here with no conclusion based on the behaviour you're complainig about. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote: Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. On June 10 2015 01:00 fuba wrote: This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum? guilty conscience fight me that's a thing On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. talked about this already but it still reads scummy to me. On June 10 2015 03:49 fuba wrote: Bleh, that's a good point too. I'm just gonna give in on this one. How do you know this is a good point if you didn't even know about the mafia database to check chez's previous games? Maybe chez plays a really lurky blue game and scum!mig is trying to get him out of the way. Following thread sentiment Nazzle's points on fuba On June 10 2015 08:13 NaCl`y wrote: I would write a proper case but unfortunately I am away till Thursday night. So this will have to do. Hopefully somebody will look into him and agree. yes | ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
1 FF, the two quotes he said to you, the one is above, but the second from what I recall indicated he wanted to post something that would be acceptable to others - to me this sounds like blending in or not wanting to be confrontational. Did anyone else get that impression? 2 Also on the topic of that first quote are his reads, which I know Salty tried to compare with the way he did it in Carnaval. I read his filter again in Carnaval last night, and I see where the "smattering of reads" is coming from. One problem I have with the boxerfred read is how "tone" - he used genuine - changed his opinion of someone, and the thing with tone reads is that they give an initial impression - if someone is scummy the first go, I would think you'd be a little more cautious or needing something more than tone for that read to change. Something seemed off there. 3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote: I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote: I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then. And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote: Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote: No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote: Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote: Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote: Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. | ||
|
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
| ||
|
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Actions due in . One hour resolution period follows that deadline, at which point the day 3 post will be made. | ||
|
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Aside from fuba, I want to look at some of the other votes that came in on Chez. Namely BF's "everyone is doing it" when he voted on him. It looked really bad but Chez also hinted at BF being "scared" when BF switched to marv and didn't have (IIRC) anything to say re marv. And Mig voting him recalling that chez wouldn't forget a dt game or something when he was pushing JAT earlier on - granted I disputed why JAT was scummy on the argument he was giving but here's the quote before he voted him: On June 09 2015 16:18 Mig wrote: Honestly I am not sure, like is this post by chez and the one following basically him claiming mafia? It sounds to me like yam is his servant in the story. I don't really fucking know what to take seriously with chez. Obviously hes trolling but it seems more likely to me that chez would troll pretend to be mafia as mafia over doing so as town. I am good with lynching chez or JTA. If we want to talk absolutes here's an example of the opposite extreme - we discussed fuba and the DT claim but here Mig's sure this is a mafia claim. To be fair he's not sure what to take seriously. Although I'm skeptical of other's interpretation of meta, what concerns me more is a similar issue with Chez, how he drops the push on Fecalfeast prior. Except his push on FF was stronger and then he dropped that in favour of JAT/Chez. He pushed Fecalfeast all of Day 1 pretty relentlessly, listed some bulletpoints and I'm not sure where that went for Day 2. Nor can I tell from his filter what changed in his opinion. The drop like with Chez I viewed as scummy. | ||
|
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On June 10 2015 07:05 boxerfred wrote: maybe? dunno if he flips green, we lynch marv amirite? On June 10 2015 07:05 boxerfred wrote: no wait if he flips blue that is well gnite won't be around eod because i need to sleep. didn't explain why marv was mafia as he'd asked. Basically vote switches without adequate explanation is also scummy. | ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
1 FF, the two quotes he said to you, the one is above, but the second from what I recall indicated he wanted to post something that would be acceptable to others - to me this sounds like blending in or not wanting to be confrontational. Did anyone else get that impression? Yes I agree with you. Although I'm skeptical of other's interpretation of meta, what concerns me more is a similar issue with Chez, how he drops the push on Fecalfeast prior. Except his push on FF was stronger and then he dropped that in favour of JAT/Chez. He pushed Fecalfeast all of Day 1 pretty relentlessly, listed some bulletpoints and I'm not sure where that went for Day 2. Nor can I tell from his filter what changed in his opinion. The drop like with Chez I viewed as scummy. I was actually just looking at mig's filter and about to point out the same thing. He doesn't seem to mind that nobody else talked about me when he seemed to have the biggest scum read on me, listing me as his top lynch over yamato. Everyone agreed that mafia probably bused yamato and mig's post here On June 07 2015 06:18 Mig wrote: If Fancyfeast isnt lynched yam would be my #2. I dont think town yam just gives up and lets himself get lynched like this normally. Hard for him to pass up opportunities to argue with people when he thinks hes right. sounds like a lazy way to hop on the wagon. Not only that but he barely got his vote in on time. Another minor hing I'd like to point out: On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote: lmao chez is the best. Just going to assume chez is going to get lynched next. So besides him who is most likely to be mafia after him. So after rethinking things, I came to a realization, why the fuck are we all so sure that JTA is town? he really doesn't seem to care who gets lynched this game | ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:35 Fecalfeast wrote: watching GSL anyone else here? hey | ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
That was fun | ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
| ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 10 2015 19:19 Fecalfeast wrote: That's all, though? just lynch you? you want me to sink my cock into your dead corpse as well or something? | ||
|
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
| ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
not necessarily stopped me before though. Vengeful. i accept your point about not being a chez-lover because he was boring and afk, btw. | ||
|
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
| ||
| ||
