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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 10:28 GMT
#1541
On June 10 2015 19:27 prplhz wrote:
why do you keep saying vengeful and what is it that role does?

that's just coincidence and it is not in any way a role hint or claim :D

just describing myself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 10:30 GMT
#1542
it should actually be really obvious i am not a blue, btw.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 10 2015 10:30 GMT
#1543
did I say vengeful?

Why did you go straight to necrophilia marv?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 10:31 GMT
#1544
On June 10 2015 19:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
did I say vengeful?

Why did you go straight to necrophilia marv?

a boy has his kinks
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 10 2015 10:51 GMT
#1545
kk sleep time I expect 100 posts when I wake up none of this ded gaem shit
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 13:15 GMT
#1546
On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this

On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear.


On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.

why be vague about being cop in his situation

also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game

I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.

And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red
.


On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck?

Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop.


On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red.


Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing.

And why are you suggesting he checked marv?

That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD

In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red.

grats.

fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this"

*a tiny amount of time passes*

fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"

No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.


It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though.

The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances.

On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong.


On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.

I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here.

Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu...

I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that.


On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity.

Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather.

Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop?


On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one.

On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote

##Vote FecalFeast


Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!!



Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller.

How does his D2 not look like he's blue?

Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time.


By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast.

yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd.
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.

In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
June 10 2015 13:18 GMT
#1547
On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this

On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear.


On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.

why be vague about being cop in his situation

also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game

I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.

And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red
.


On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck?

Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop.


On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red.


Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing.

And why are you suggesting he checked marv?

That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD

In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red.

grats.

fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this"

*a tiny amount of time passes*

fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"

No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.


It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though.

The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances.

On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong.


On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.

I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here.

Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu...

I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that.


On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity.

Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather.

Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop?


On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one.

On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote

##Vote FecalFeast


Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!!



Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller.

How does his D2 not look like he's blue?

Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time.


By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast.

yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd.
Show nested quote +
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.

In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on

So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 13:29 GMT
#1548
On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this

On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear.


On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.

why be vague about being cop in his situation

also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game

I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.

And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red
.


On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck?

Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop.


On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red.


Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing.

And why are you suggesting he checked marv?

That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD

In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red.

grats.

fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this"

*a tiny amount of time passes*

fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"

No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.


It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though.

The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances.

On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong.


On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.

I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here.

Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu...

I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that.


On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity.

Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather.

Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop?


On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one.

On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote

##Vote FecalFeast


Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!!



Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller.

How does his D2 not look like he's blue?

Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time.


By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast.

yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd.
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.

In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on

So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.

I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought.

i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
June 10 2015 13:48 GMT
#1549
On June 10 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:
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3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this

On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear.


On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.

why be vague about being cop in his situation

also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game

I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.

And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red
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On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck?

Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop.


On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red.


Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing.

And why are you suggesting he checked marv?

That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD

In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red.

grats.

fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this"

*a tiny amount of time passes*

fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"

No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.


It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though.

The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances.

On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong.


On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.

I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here.

Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu...

I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that.


On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:
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On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity.

Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather.

Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop?


On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him.


Why are you questioning this?

He clearly seems to be claiming cop.


So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one.

On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote

##Vote FecalFeast


Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!!



Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller.

How does his D2 not look like he's blue?

Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time.


By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast.

yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd.
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.

In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on

So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.

I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought.

i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked)

Yes, because I thought those absolutes were weird earlier already. I have no idea why anyone thought Chez claimed any sort of role. And that particular post is really really out of place. Especially for a rather timid person that usually waffles aroudn all the time.
I just made a habit out of trusting your townreads because they are usually better than your scumreads.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 13:53 GMT
#1550
it's a good habit, NB: he was never in my list of townreads that I gave (that i was reasonably confident in).

Else it would be everyone in one pile and everyone else in the other, which isn't how it works ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 13:54 GMT
#1551
if i'm going "i think that person may be town" but I never put them in some sort of list, you should know it can change xD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
June 10 2015 14:06 GMT
#1552
On June 10 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
if i'm going "i think that person may be town" but I never put them in some sort of list, you should know it can change xD

Of course. But I still don't get how you could have a townread on him in the first place and then change it so quickly because of something you should have noticed without salty having to point it out :/
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 14:09 GMT
#1553
good job you don't have to get it then
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 14:13 GMT
#1554
god I am so sad about Chez's play. He used to have more about him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
June 10 2015 14:14 GMT
#1555
On June 10 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
god I am so sad about Chez's play. He used to have more about him.

Yes. It is good that we got rid of him early because with this play there is no way to tell what he is and he isn't contributing any reads either. Just all around awful.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 14:18 GMT
#1556
he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too.

The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him.

we're in a great spot anyway though
On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think these people are town:

1.marvellosity
2.justanothertownie
3. NaCl`y
4.prplhz
7. Alakaslam
13. Artanis[Xp]

if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
June 10 2015 14:19 GMT
#1557
On June 10 2015 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too.

The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him.

we're in a great spot anyway though
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On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think these people are town:

1.marvellosity
2.justanothertownie
3. NaCl`y
4.prplhz
7. Alakaslam
13. Artanis[Xp]

if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick.

That list still holds strong as far as I am concerned.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 10 2015 16:40 GMT
#1558
Why exactly is marv town, jat?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 10 2015 16:42 GMT
#1559
On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat?

ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 10 2015 17:11 GMT
#1560
well i suck at actual scumhunting, back to gut reads.

mig train choo choo
I come in for the scraps
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