On May 12 2015 10:55 Bill Murray wrote: 1) I don't believe he is mafia, so there can't be a contradiction. My read changed. Get over it 2) You say that Damdred townread you and that makes me mafia because I gave him posts a. you're being very illogical b. you hadn't posted at all so you are misrepresenting this scenario - if you had posted, it was at most once. You posted 1 time before I launched my nuke. These things occurred a day apart. - you are now acting like you were here on Mother's Day when you weren't.
Synopsis: If you had been less terse in your opening post, perhaps I wouldn't have had to have nuked you. Sorry if you end up flipping town like I expect you to, now, but compare your opening post in this game to the one you posted in Newbie Mafia VIII that we just played in less than a month ago
Your post was something you spent a couple hours on that game. This one was just bland, without the punch that the other had. It made me think you were a different role. I was thinking there was a very good possibility I would be getting praised for nuking you before the day way out.... now I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched and that I might have ended up nuking something that we will end up needing.
I'm not really sold on believing BlazingHand. If he's not lying, you're dead.
One last thing, the fact you would nuke me right back shows the facet of your play you need to fix. You demonstrate a wrathfulness that borders on OMGUS. Now, you admitted to doing that last game, so I have hope for you, or I wouldn't be trying to help you right now, but know that the person accusing you is not always the best option to lynch.
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
you don't think trfel is town?
i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking
On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote: BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.
because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said
Tell me you're kidding here.
I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this
Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
you know i have had you as a town read all game
but im an idiot
an idiot that can read you
On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote: ##give 2 posts bm
Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here?
Onegu has claimed scum openly. I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum
On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
if it was ANYONE else
or even if he was doing ANYTHING else
but no, you can't make this read on BH
you mean BM
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?
You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.
On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
you do look scummy, onegu
I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...
you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??
it just all adds up to being fishy
On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: 24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".
no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor" my point is that you claimed traitor. you literally claimed traitor.
On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit it's like I don't even have a role.
feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why. wording feels off I guess
In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.
On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote: 15/60
okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-
- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)
- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP
- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum
Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment.
I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it...
We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter.
You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now.
Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
thank god someone agreed with me
I claimed town, I wanted to be traitor... I didnt read hapas post that if you are traitor you get a "Traitor PM". So how did you go from I am traitor to I am 90% scum btw?
the other 10% is referred to as "VI" in some circles, and I am not talking about the league of legends champion. I don't feel that way about you; I just feel like you're a guy that is trying to have fun dumbtelling as scum to get recruited ... it is what it is.
I'm having a lot of trouble reading this post, but I assume that it is a response to my case on Bill Murray here. And as such, it is factually completely incorrect.
I made four posts (not counting posting the player list with filters) by the time that you nuked me. By the time you nuked me, I had provided more reads than you. Please check your facts.
I've already explained that my "nuke" on you was a test to investigate fake nukes, it was obviously not a real nuke.
You're obviously not reading the game, your post doesn't talk about anything of any relevance.
On May 12 2015 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: Been catching up on some pages I've missed. I'm a little bit behind on reading. I am going to go back and fill in the blanks with what we need to do to win this game. Well, if I get to live long enough to do anything to help you guys.
Trfel, I wish we could be friends. There are just some differences between us. I want to point something out, and it's another reason I don't like your play. Trfel, you take thread sentiment (Cases on Xatalos, Onegu) and you pass it off as if you created them. Your case on Xatalos is probably coming from Rsoultin Your case on Onegu would probably be less of a reach than if it was coming from me Your case on me is regurgitated from TD.
Just don't take that too harsh. I'm sorry I have a nuke going at you, potentially, but it is what it is.
You can really stop attacking my playstyle with things that are obviously false.... my play has an extremely large number of flaws, and believe me, I'm more aware of them than anyone else.
I don't have a case on Xatalos, and I never said I did? I don't have a case on Onegu, and I never said I did? I have a small case on you, certainly built on what others have posted, however I have taken additional efforts to show why your play fits a mafia motivation. So you're accusing me of being a flawed player for doing things which I'm going to do?!?!
Bill Murray, why are you voting for Onegu instead of your other scumreads? And why do you think that my filter (at the time of you firing your nuke) was only one post, when it was actually four, and ignore the fourth post saying that I would get back to the game the very evening you fired?
But I almost can't see scum playing with such obvious lies... it makes me more inclined to think that he somehow completely missed 75% of my filter and is unable to understand my post on him (despite the TLDR), and if that is true maybe Bill Murray is town here. And while it's extremely frustrating, I don't think that Bill Murray would attack my playstyle when it is not at all necessary (and is false).
##unvote
If he fires any more nukes he gets policy lynched, 100%. If not, hopefully more time will allow him to actually demonstrate a townie mindset.
Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.
okay -_- clearly i'm doing something wrong if everyone and their brother is scumreading me -_-
that like never happens
i could just beat you over the head gb with the idiocy of me being your pretty scum team's chosen buss but whatever. i'd rather hear where your scumread comes from, frankly -_-
On May 12 2015 14:08 rsoultin wrote: okay -_- clearly i'm doing something wrong if everyone and their brother is scumreading me -_-
that like never happens
i could just beat you over the head gb with the idiocy of me being your pretty scum team's chosen buss but whatever. i'd rather hear where your scumread comes from, frankly -_-
On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.
I will check Rebirthoflegend meta regarding how lazy he is town compared to scum in the morning.
On May 12 2015 14:08 rsoultin wrote: okay -_- clearly i'm doing something wrong if everyone and their brother is scumreading me -_-
that like never happens
i could just beat you over the head gb with the idiocy of me being your pretty scum team's chosen buss but whatever. i'd rather hear where your scumread comes from, frankly -_-
I don't think you're scum o.o
i'm getting an inordinate amount of scumreads, ls lol ><
onegu...eh as either alignment it wouldn't surprise me, but i still want to lynch him, so not concerned about that
ksc...his scumread is weird...the entire progression doesn't even look like a scumread...lol >< no one's commented on it, though, and i'd like them to >< could easily be scum just for not sticking to his guns or really committing to it when i'm in-thread
but gb i'm pretty sure is town which makes me so it would be nice if he explained. especially considering he hasn't mentioned it before
On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.
I'm extremely lazy no matter what. I didn't realize there was a voting thread when I first put that I was voting him in thread. Figured I'd be consistent.
On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote: On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.
The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not.
If Trfel and BH are both scum, it's obviously a must-do to just prevent it. Them both being scum makes sense. If BH is scum and Trfel town, then it doesn't make much sense to prevent it (better save it for a teammate). It only makes sense if he has lots of uses for it and he doesn't need to worry about wasting it. If BH is town, it *somewhat* makes sense to immediately use it (considering the random way BM went about using the nuke) but it's still quite weird to just use it so easily.
All in all I think the most sensible explanations are BH+Trfel being scum or BH being scum and Trfel being town, but BH having enough uses of the ability to afford using it on a townie.
Also this bit of analysis is bad.
BH wont save scum if hes scum because then he is under huge suspicion to justify the townread. Especially so early. And then he gets cred if he claims he had antinuke and didnt use it to save a scum.
So BH and Trfel are not scum scum.
You can get away with that shit early and it won't matter anyway.Because people will say what you say and it no one will actually act on it.
On May 12 2015 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote: meh ok fine
Nononono not fine.
1) Why truffle is town? (You compared BM's nuke to a certain ##shoot townie) 2) Why were you scumreading BH? 3) Why Xatalos was a better lynch than BH? 4) Did you not realise the nuke and anti nukes wasting thing before?
1) hypothetical 2)Because he suspicously anti nuked the first nuke 3)Xata is a way fucking better lynch than BH, hes posting garbage and not trying to find out shit at all.
The best case I can make for BM scum is that he keeps saying how much he wants to play this game, but nukes twice in the first 24 hours which he should definitely know its a bad idea for town.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
1) he was actively lurking and lied so he tried to nuke me 1 a. He realizes he has to OMGUS 2) he OMGUSes me , but like I said he did it in a way that made it appear like he wasn't. He wanted to say he was voting me due to my giving my posts to Damdred as opposed to me actually nuking. Get real. He's just sheeping Geript (TD) with that sentiment which is what scum due. They take whatever is prevalent and easy in the thread and push it as their own agenda that's what Trfel is doing. Trfel is scum 3-5) He unvotes me more than once. He unvotes me at this juncture and then revotes me based upon the logic of "I don't want to die" Self preservation is a scum lean. It makes the case on him stronger. 3-5) a. If I recall he unvotes me another time to "build a case" on me. If anything I have been looking more and more town. I don't post with this amount of content as scum in any game that I have ever been scum. My posting is highly consistent with me having a blue role, including me 1) fucking up and 2) getting pressured like I did as Inventor in PYP 2
This isn't even the beginning of the case on him from my eyes/soul. My case is meta, but I have to be able to put that into words you guys can follow. I seem to be having difficulty doing that this game thusfar. I have presented you with scum on a silver platter already in Onegu, do not fail to heed my warnings on Trfel; I have been pushing him / nuking him all day for a reason. I really, really hope BH is trolling and Trfel flips scum before this phase is up so you guys can see that I am 100% trying to win this game. I am very, very frustrated.
On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.
You can really stop attacking my playstyle with things that are obviously false.... my play has an extremely large number of flaws, and believe me, I'm more aware of them than anyone else.
Mine does too. There was a time I gave my posts away, and was actively reading the entire thread. I was reading it enough to find your posting to be different than it was when you were green last game
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I don't have a case on Xatalos, and I never said I did? I don't have a case on Onegu, and I never said I did? I have a small case on you, certainly built on what others have posted, however I have taken additional efforts to show why your play fits a mafia motivation. So you're accusing me of being a flawed player for doing things which I'm going to do?!?!
you were listing those names... my wording came across wrong, as you are the second person who has gotten confused about this. What I was saying was if you built a case on Onegu or Xatalos, both who have thread sentiment against them, it would be X, not that it IS X. I wasn't saying what you think I was saying, basically.. "Oh, it's rsoultin, we can't lynch her D1" .... Why not? That is why I refuse to play the way that I did whenever I was one of the better players here. I am not going to just ease down the lazy river and lose the entire game for everyone. I want to give people something to talk about at least. I don't want to lynch rsoultin for usual reasons and it's something that I wouldn't even normally talk about... but I feel like she is potentially scumbuddying me to get me to not vote for her later, if that happens. However, she seems like town in that her play seems a little more giving and less terse as scum.
Bill Murray, why are you voting for Onegu instead of your other scumreads?
Well, I feel like he slipped. I go with slips before anything else. After I get a good vote out, and someone reacts poorly, like he did with his AtE to rsoultin, that's when I really hammer the nail home.
why do you think that my filter (at the time of you firing your nuke) was only one post, when it was actually four, and ignore the fourth post saying that I would get back to the game the very evening you fired?
I got confused and literally thought you had only had 1 post in the cycle. I've gone back and read it whenever I forced a case on you, against my better judgment, just to look better for the thread [sorry for my hypocrisy]
But I almost can't see scum playing with such obvious lies... it makes me more inclined to think that he somehow completely missed 75% of my filter and is unable to understand my post on him (despite the TLDR), and if that is true maybe Bill Murray is town here. And while it's extremely frustrating, I don't think that Bill Murray would attack my playstyle when it is not at all necessary (and is false).
This just feels so close to what I felt about YOU that is it crazy. I was frustrated, I thought you were lying, and I really was beginning to feel like you were mafia; I had convinced myself of that.
On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote: Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely.
However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically:
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.
Like this post right,
On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote: marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.
marv doesnt do that.
And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content.
And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially.
On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well.
Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information
On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post.
That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point.
When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught.
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
I can understand the yamato read.
Why Oats?
Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv.
You are town. Marv is not scum yet.
The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia.
Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats.
I just read this post and I was like is talking dead literally copy pasting things
well you know what, I did the exact same thing with my case on Onegu so +townpoints for talkingdead
EPT
so it would be nice if he explained. especially considering he hasn't mentioned it before
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