EPTOn May 12 2015 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:
the hosts haven't posted it in the thread yet but I assume it will happen shortly
the hosts haven't posted it in the thread yet but I assume it will happen shortly
slackers
can we lynch TD, that sounds good
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
slackers can we lynch TD, that sounds good | ||
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Damdred
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yamato77
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Damdred
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On May 12 2015 08:44 KelsierSC wrote: can BM call off nukes? I don't really want trefl to get nuked Why would Trfel,get nuked | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
didn't BM launch a 3rd nuke at trefl but it didnt go through yet because bm is vote leader am i mental? | ||
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Damdred
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
##unvote ##vote Xatalos | ||
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TalkingDead
102 Posts
I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character. The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post: On May 11 2015 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: So it seems like things should be prety straightforward in terms of hunting scum. I didn't mention this earlier because I needed people to be posting without knowing about this. Basically, right now people only have PMs revealing alignment, right? What this means is scum do not know who their scumbuddies are. Since they don't want ot accidentally push scumbuddies, for the first 24 hours of the game you can expect scum to not want to give scumreads. They don't want to be forced to backtrack later. So who's giving scumreads and who isn't? People who haven't given solid scumreads, or have given only joke scumreads: Marv Onegu Trfel Sandroba Xat bats rso oastmaster LS (I assume, it's kinda hard to read this dude's post) RoL Bill Murray Palm VE JAT Vivax Stutters People who have made scumreads, or said they want to lynch someone, which would be risky for scum to do: GB HtS (some) Yamato OWS Damdred KSC TD so GB HtS Yam OWS Damd KSC TD are town, the rest of you are scum ez Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
##vote TalkingDead | ||
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yamato77
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I don't agree with his read on LS, but I don't expect many people to read LS as I do. | ||
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TalkingDead
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However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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Trfel
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One of the main reasons that I was previously townreading Bill Murray is that I didn't think that scum would have a nuking role. This role feels extremely difficult for scum to use, as it ties the player to their shot. For a nuking role to be used by scum, it would have to be used in a way similar to this, and by a player somewhat like Bill Murray. This still isn't a very ideal role for scum to have. But I think that playing this way actually has a lot of appeal for scum (it's fun, even if not objectively the best play). So there's the mafia incentive. On May 11 2015 13:14 Bill Murray wrote: Bill Murray giving posts to Damdred and then saying this feels somewhat like buddying to me. Especially if his intention was to nuke people in Day 1, he needs his posts to help interact with people and share his reads. Furthermore, I find it very interesting that Damdred townread me, and Bill Murray apparently trusts Damdred enough to give him most of his Night 0 posts.That town-town shit was shady. I didn't like how rude he was to you, and it was very frustrating not being able to post about it due to giving my posts away to Damdred. Every single post Damdred made, however, made me smile. Whoever it was... OWS or someone... Who said Damdred was crazy... Completely disagree with them Bill Murray's usage of his nukes was very strange. Many of the reasons have been brought up already, I won't bother repeating those. But there is one more thing I noticed. Bill Murray read my filter and then was willing to nuke me immediately for low activity (despite a post that said I would be more active that very evening...). Then he kept reading filters and found even less active players: On May 11 2015 13:18 Bill Murray wrote: Since he is capable of nuking twice in one day, why didn't he fire his second nuke at Palmar? If he was confident enough to nuke me, and he wished he nuked Palmar, then he ought to nuke Palmar here after reading his filter.Wow I should have nuked fucking Palmar Guy has even less activity than Trfel Very unusual for Palmar Despite Bill Murray's reads being based almost primarily on activity (unexplained townread on Damdred, but then scumread on me for low activity, agrees with KelsierSC about TalkingDead being suspicious, suspicious of Palmar for activity, not wanting to lynch sandroba and TalkingDead for their higher activity, mentions Vivax with only one post, and says that RebirthOfLeGenD is scummy for only one post with lots of capital letters, then agrees with Damdred that Xatalos's low activity is scummy). Almost all of his reads are activity based, and he even shows that he is caring more about activity than other reasons through his posts on TalkingDead. But he uses his second nuke on marvellosity for reasons completely aside from activity. Bill Murray has also been very inconsistent and lying when justifying his read on me. On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel On May 12 2015 02:01 Bill Murray wrote: it's about timing. the last game i played with him he was literally the first post in the thread, and carried the game. we actually had to ask him to quit posting. it wasn't necessarily the gigantic wall posts that bugged me, but he, as town, misrepresents people nearly on purpose to piss them off he is a lot more defensive this game On May 12 2015 03:54 Bill Murray wrote: should have been voting you from the start you were my first suspicion given the discrepancy from how you're posting this game compared to the last one i played in when you were obv town ##vote: trfel On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... So basically, Bill Murray says that last game I was carrying town last game and was an obvious townread. He also states that my play was extremely different between the two games. Then, he suddenly says that my play was the same last game and this game, so I am town. I can't be posting so much that "we actually had to ask [me] to quit posting" and "actively lurking", and even so, my play can't be so distinctly different in these two games but with me being lurking in both. This is a blatant contradiction. Furthermore, read Bill Murray's filter from Student Mafia VIII (the game he refers to). He was scumreading me for the entire game. I was carrying town and an obvious town read, so obvious that he scumread me the whole time. Bill Murray is scum because:
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yamato77
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On May 12 2015 08:55 TalkingDead wrote: The best lynch right now is the BM policy lynch. I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character. The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post: Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town. See, the difference between this read and GB's argument is night and day. It's still not 100%, but there's actually something to discuss here besides "he used his role poorly" or whatever the fuck you want to say about BH shooting down the nukes. When approaching reading BH, you can't just look at his play in a vacuum and determine his alignment. As both town and mafia, BH does things that are conventionally nonsensical but in actuality are WIFOM-esque plays that, when considered in the context of his own personal metagame, are alignment neutral. His role usage is blatantly alignment neutral, even if there are arguments about how he could have used it better. Town BH could easily just be shooting down nukes because he can. Mafia BH could be going for the pro-town cred. Sure. But you can't determine anything meaningful out of the action itself. The rest of his play, as TD points out, is somewhat concerning because he isn't engaging the thread on any deeper level. The disparity between his two nuke actions isn't a great argument itself, but BH IS playing somewhat below the radar and doesn't seem too terribly interested in finding mafia or even figuring out people's alignments. The problem with making a read like this on a player like BH is of course that he might just be fucking off as town with some sort of selfish play in mind, but usually as town BH tries to fight a lynch on him so if people want to go down that route I'm not going to oppose it any further. I am more interested in other players, as I've stated. Unfortunately many players in this game are having issues establishing themselves as town, so the list is longer than I'd like. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote: Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely. However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. go read oats' filter from game of thrones and come back and talk to me about oats' meta. | ||
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KelsierSC
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yamato77
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On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote: Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray.... That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Moderation Announcement: Bill Murray's nuke has been shot down! It will no longer explode at the end of Day 1. On May 12 2015 05:07 Blazinghand wrote: you know what, fuck it, Marv is worth saving. i'm good enough to catch him if he's scum. ##anti-nuke the nuke that is going towards Marv | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I have my leans but I would happily lynch Xat,LS,BM and TD and not wide eyed over it if palmar/marv/damdred/bh push for one of them then I will happily sheep them i have other town but I don't really trust them to make good decisions, like GB for example. town but you know.,... you love your kids but you don't let them drive yamato seems ok aswell | ||
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Trfel
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On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote: Did you read his Student Mafia VIII filter like I asked?That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. In that game, he was actually being mostly reasonable and trying to solve the game. In this game, his /in post said that he would not be disruptive. I don't see Bill Murray suddenly deciding to ignore everyone, including his town reads and randomly nuke two players and only then listen to people, given that he showed that he is willing to discuss with people and said that he would not be disruptive this game. | ||
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