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Well the solution may not be to remove the door but make sure there are always 2 people in the cockpit. I actually always thought there were 3 people.
By the way I listened to the Marseille Brice Robin public prosecutor from this video in french http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/lemonde/archives/2015/03/20150326-094556.html
The most plausible thing for him is the mass-murder. He then give in details the last 30min of the voice recorder. Briefly translated:
-At first conversations are normal and joyful.
-When the commandant explains the procedure for landing in Dusseldorf the copilot gives laconic answers (he later say there were brief).
-They hear the pilot ask the copilot to take command, then they hear a door closing. They think the pilot went to the WC.
-He is alone. He pushes the button of the flight monitoring system which causes the plane to lose altitude. This can only be voluntary.
-We hear the pilot asking access with the cabin call. Then punches on the door.
-No responses
-There is a human breathing until the crash suggesting he was alive.
-They hear Marseille control but no response from the copilot
-Control ask to make distress call. No response
-Alarms start ringing because the plane is close to the ground.
-Heavy punches on the door.
-One big sound possibly to the plane hitting the mountain on its side.
-No mayday
-The most likely explanation for the French military (under General .... and Colonel ... ): The copilot voluntarily refused to open the cabin and voluntarily pushed the button to decrease altitude. Reason is unknown but everything points to a will of destroying the plane.
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On March 27 2015 01:47 rezoacken wrote:Well the solution may not be to remove the door but make sure there are always 2 people in the cockpit. I actually always thought there were 3 people. By the way I listened to the Marseille Brice Robin public prosecutor from this video in french http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/lemonde/archives/2015/03/20150326-094556.htmlThe most plausible thing for him is the mass-murder. He then give in details the last 30min of the voice recorder. Briefly translated: -At first conversations are normal and joyful. -When the commandant explains the procedure for landing in Dusseldorf the copilot gives laconic answers (he later say there were brief). -They hear the pilot ask the copilot to take command, then they hear a door closing. They think the pilot went to the WC. -He is alone. He pushes the button of the flight monitoring system which causes the plane to lose altitude. This can only be voluntary. -We hear the pilot asking access with the cabin call. Then punches on the door. -No responses -There is a human breathing until the crash suggesting he was alive. -They hear Marseille control but no response from the copilot -Control ask to make distress call. No response -Alarms start ringing because the plane is close to the ground. -Heavy punches on the door. -One big sound possibly to the plane hitting the mountain on its side. -No mayday -The most likely explanation for the French military (under General .... and Colonel ... ): The copilot voluntarily refused to open the cabin and voluntarily pushed the button to decrease altitude. Reason is unknown but everything points to a will of destroying the plane.
My god that's absolutely terrible o:
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to put out some random information:
in fact i live in montabaur (12.000 inhabitants) and this guy went to the same school i am going to right now and lived2 minutes away from me.
I talked to a teacher who lives almost next door to him while his wife told us that the co-pilot was actually this guy 2 days ago. At that time nobody imagined that anybody killed everyone on the plane on purpose and you could feel the impact of this happening in our little group because suddenly something which was on tv before, became extremely close.
Today the information "the co-pilot killed everyone on purpose" was put out and suddenly the media is all around that area +police and the whole town talks about it which will change the attitude towards this probably already mentally unstable family completely when they come back (they are in france right now someone told me).
Remember the fact that this is a small town where we rumors stick like forever.
I just want that people take things slower because there still is no 100% evident that the co-pilot actually did this completely on purpose (and i can say that w/o bias because i have no idea who that person was) because right now the town is going crazy. In fact I already saw a made-up profile on facebook with the name of him and pictures where the writer put hate towards him and calling him a monster and so on. People forget the effect of what they are saying.
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Facebook and Twitter reactions are always to harsh or overboarding and should categoricly disregarded as the rubbish they are. It takes no time and no effort to post or copypasta something, also no consequences.
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On March 27 2015 01:47 rezoacken wrote:
Well the solution may not be to remove the door but make sure there are always 2 people in the cockpit. I actually always thought there were 3 people.
Some airliners have this rule. At least Finnair has rule that there has to be always at least 2 people in the cockpit. Norwegian starts doing this from this day onwards
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Assuming for a second that he actually did do this on purpose, are there any suspicions as to why?
Was it just classic mental illness or was this a terrorist attack?
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How does this fit the meaning of a terrorist attack in any way shape or form?
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unless he did it for (specific political cause) it's just a crazy guy. A crazy person killing a bunch of people is shitty but not a terrorist attack.
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so at the end, it was a mass murder combined to a suicide
horrible
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On March 27 2015 03:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
How does this fit the meaning of a terrorist attack in any way shape or form?
I don't know the guy's politics, but he killed ~150 people. For all I know, he may have had a motive beyond just suicidal thoughts.
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Hard to even wrap my head around it...
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On March 27 2015 03:25 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 03:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
How does this fit the meaning of a terrorist attack in any way shape or form? I don't know the guy's politics, but he killed ~150 people. For all I know, he may have had a motive beyond just suicidal thoughts.
...at which point he would then be classified as a terrorist? I'm not sure what you are getting at. This is why they're going through his house and stuff. Was he a terrorist, if so, was he connected to any groups, etc.
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Another solution is to put the door under a lock code that only the two pilots know, so that even if one wants to do this the other can enter the code and reach the cockpit easy and fast. Trying to break down the door takes precious time.
There should be no way to deny the code so that they can enter at any moment. There should be normally no reason why the cockpit should be unreachable for any of the pilots, only for the passengers.
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On March 27 2015 04:26 xtorn wrote:
Another solution is to put the door under a lock code that only the two pilots know, so that even if one wants to do this the other can enter the code and reach the cockpit easy and fast. Trying to break down the door takes precious time.
There should be no way to deny the code so that they can enter at any moment. There should be normally no reason why the cockpit should be unreachable for any of the pilots, only for the passengers.
The reason the code is deniable is so that if one pilot is ambushed outside the cockpit, he can't be coerced into opening the door.
The only real solution is to include a way for crew in the passenger compartment to communicate with ground control, and give ground control an undeniable way to unlock the door.
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On March 27 2015 03:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 01:47 rezoacken wrote:
Well the solution may not be to remove the door but make sure there are always 2 people in the cockpit. I actually always thought there were 3 people.
Some airliners have this rule. At least Finnair has rule that there has to be always at least 2 people in the cockpit. Norwegian starts doing this from this day onwards
I believe that every airliner that does not excessively cut on security for profit has this rule.
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There are also problems with the "door open unless 2 crew in cockpit" or always "2 crew in cockpit" law.
Problem for me is, that a pilot or crew that is suffering depression has to turn himself in, wich would cause losing his job. Same for doctors with addictions.
Also it must have been horrifying for the pilot. He could not get in the cockpit, he realizes the descent, he can not try to break the door without either alarming all the passengers to incoming doom and or causing the first officer to begin even a steeper descent.
Apparently he decided to accept his fade without striking panic in everyone.
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On March 27 2015 04:37 Millitron wrote:
The only real solution is to include a way for crew in the passenger compartment to communicate with ground control, and give ground control an undeniable way to unlock the door. And how would the ground control know whether the call from the passenger side of the airplane is real and not faked / enforced? This problem is not easy to solve.
Even the rule that a flight attendant temporally replaces the pilot that leaves the cockpit ('2 man rule'), does not prevent all situations.
What's keeping the suicidal pilot from killing the flight attendant then and there, she is going to die minutes later anyway?
Or what about a suicidal flight attendant? Now you have to vet every flight attendant as well?
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To all the solutions being proposed, someone on reddit put it best: "Nature will always design a better idiot."
That a pilot goes rogue without any previous indication and flies the plane into a mountain is already so far outside of possible emergency scenarios. Those are the kind of things you just can't prevent.
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On March 27 2015 04:46 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 04:37 Millitron wrote:
The only real solution is to include a way for crew in the passenger compartment to communicate with ground control, and give ground control an undeniable way to unlock the door. And how would the ground control know whether the call from the passenger side of the airplane is real and not faked / enforced? This problem is not easy to solve. Even the rule that a flight attendant temporally replaces the pilot that leaves the cockpit ('2 man rule'), does not prevent all situations. What's keeping the suicidal pilot from killing the flight attendant then and there, she is going to die minutes later anyway? Or what about a suicidal flight attendant? Now you have to vet every flight attendant as well?
Simply have all of the necessities for the pilots in the cockpit. Would be expensive as hell to refit the planes and make the cockpit big enough. But give them a bathroom and one of those double sided slot things for attendants to drop food off for them. No pilot then has to leave the cock pit mid flight ever.
Again this is not exactly efficient in terms of what would have to be done to achieve it, but it is the only way I can see to avoid these problems completely.
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