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Vivax
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 00:54 Vivax wrote: Yes, I voted for you before you elaborated on the multiple vigilante possibility. I referred to the reasons I ultimately voted you, not initially. I think that's where this whole confusion starts from....This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere (the deadline was getting close). With Toadesstern's counterclaim, I felt you were the best choice at that time. I tried to search for alternative wagons, however without me having read the game, and no one else being willing to discuss alternatives, that wasn't really possible. Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you. I don't understand what exactly you are scumreading me for. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:00 Trfel wrote: Yes, I voted for you before you elaborated on the multiple vigilante possibility. I referred to the reasons I ultimately voted you, not initially. I think that's where this whole confusion starts from.... Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere (the deadline was getting close). With Toadesstern's counterclaim, I felt you were the best choice at that time. I tried to search for alternative wagons, however without me having read the game, and no one else being willing to discuss alternatives, that wasn't really possible. Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you. I don't understand what exactly you are scumreading me for. "Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere" "I felt you were the best choice at that time." "I tried to search for alternative wagons" " Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you."  | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:02 Alakaslam wrote: What's up rayn nothing much just came from sauna. game's pretty funny and easy. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
So, now you want to shoot me, because I made an error and wanted to lynch you. Despite a bunch of other people who think I am town. If you really are town, you shouldn't be using your vigilante bullet for personal grudges. You are experienced, you know very well that people are wrong a whole lot in mafia. You can shoot me here, but that won't gain you anything other than getting rid of someone who wanted to lynch you. And it will lose you your chance to kill mafia, and it will remove one more town from the game. | ||
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Vivax
21686 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:03 Trfel wrote: Vivax, let's assume that we are both town, and that I made a really bad play. I've made bad plays before. So, now you want to shoot me, because I made an error and wanted to lynch you. Despite a bunch of other people who think I am town. If you really are town, you shouldn't be using your vigilante bullet for personal grudges. You are experienced, you know very well that people are wrong a whole lot in mafia. You can shoot me here, but that won't gain you anything other than getting rid of someone who wanted to lynch you. And it will lose you your chance to kill mafia, and it will remove one more town from the game. Why aren't you scumreading me any more? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
What's easy? Wanna catch me up in a post? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
have you read anything yet? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:04 Alakaslam wrote: Dude that's actually a really good idea. I may go to a sauna after work today. What's easy? Wanna catch me up in a post? Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, it's not the best vote progression. But from someone who didn't read the game?"Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere" "I felt you were the best choice at that time." "I tried to search for alternative wagons" " Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you." 1. Vivax was counterclaimed, thus I vote for Vivax. While recognizing the possibility of multiple vigilantes, there is also a very distinct possibility that there is only one. In addition, some experienced players (specifically Vivax and Toadesstern themselves) were very convinced that there was only one vigilante. Vivax was very stubborn towards Toadesstern, and this played a reasonable role in my initial decision to vote for Vivax. 2. I searched for alternative wagons to Vivax and Toadesstern. This is exactly what a townie would do? And what a townie did? 3. Vivax continued to be stubborn and inconsistent, so I kept my vote on Vivax. I don't see how you can convincingly refute this at all. You can say that Vivax was frustrated because of the counterclaim and not thinking clearly and with complete logic, and that's acceptable from a town point of view. However, I don't think it's more likely than Vivax being a scrambling scum. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
21686 Posts
Why didn't you update your scumreads during the night and only show up when somebody points a gun at you? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote: Look, it's not the best vote progression. But from someone who didn't read the game? 1. Vivax was counterclaimed, thus I vote for Vivax. While recognizing the possibility of multiple vigilantes, there is also a very distinct possibility that there is only one. In addition, some experienced players (specifically Vivax and Toadesstern themselves) were very convinced that there was only one vigilante. Vivax was very stubborn towards Toadesstern, and this played a reasonable role in my initial decision to vote for Vivax. 2. I searched for alternative wagons to Vivax and Toadesstern. This is exactly what a townie would do? And what a townie did? 3. Vivax continued to be stubborn and inconsistent, so I kept my vote on Vivax. I don't see how you can convincingly refute this at all. You can say that Vivax was frustrated because of the counterclaim and not thinking clearly and with complete logic, and that's acceptable from a town point of view. However, I don't think it's more likely than Vivax being a scrambling scum. Explain how Vivax was stubborn and how does it make him mafia? Answer Holyflare. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. Rsoultin | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Vivax
21686 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. I'd say rsoul | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote: As I said, I tried to look for alternative wagons by asking people for summaries of the wagons. I specifically remember asking about sicklucker and LightningStrike. But no one was interested at all, no one responded, so I let that drop.trfel how can anyone discuss things with you if you just said you hadn't read the game? if you "tried" to look for alternative wagons, how did you go about that? have you read anything yet? I've read the first 40 pages of the game carefully. I read from some page before the claims through the lynch, and I've read the last few pages. I've glanced through a few filters and cases that people said were important. I did what I thought was best with the information I had. Being well over 50 pages down when the lynch was happening, I thought it would be better to get summaries from other players and reread key parts of the game than trying to read the entire game or just reading filters and making my decisions 100% on my own (no context that way). I do want to go read the game, but if I get shot, there isn't much point of that. If town!Vivax shoots me, that would be extremely bad for town, so unfortunately that takes precedence over trying to read the game. If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. I don't have any reads on anyone at the moment, it would be premature for me to do so until I read the entire game, and then reread several filters more carefully. + Show Spoiler [If you must have reads...] + Here's what I'm thinking right now, though again, my reads are quite likely to change once I get some more time. I still lean mafia on Vivax, although it seems that his actions post-lynch were townie, and I haven't read that part of the game. Artanis[Xp] switched to townread on Vivax, so that indicates that Vivax is probably town, even though I don't know why and my own, limited read says he is mafia. I'm still skeptical of raynpelikoneet. Not sold on the tracker claim, not sold on his level of play. It seems noticeably below his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 1. But the night actions ought to help with raynpelikoneet. I'm somewhat suspicious of Holyflare as well. I like how he was very aggressive to start wagons, notably his early pushes on Alakaslam and sicklucker. However, I don't think the sicklucker push was terribly alignment indicative (of sicklucker), and the Alakaslam push boiled down to a few misunderstandings (as both Holyflare and Alakaslam later realized). In addition, Holyflare is aggressive as mafia as well (Linux Mafia). The one strange thing about Holyflare is his push onto Bill Murray. That was a pretty bad push. In a critical stage of the game (two claimed vigilantes up for lynch), Holyflare made a (self admitted) terrible push against a fairly inactive player. And now he blames it on being drunk. Were it not for the Bill Murray push, I would put Holyflare as town, but now I'm not so sure.... | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. I'd say rsoul I HATE APP REDIRECTS | ||
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