EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 179
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raynpelikoneet
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Trfel
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On March 21 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted......Vivax catch on Trfel so good. On March 21 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes.Vivax, I wasn't wanting to lynch you before the claimfest began. It was Toadesstern's counterclaim and your play after that that made me want to lynch you. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 22 2015 00:06 Vivax wrote: You still didn't say what you think about me now, cause that's important given that I don't know why you see the switching as scummy. Is it scummy to switch from town to town or from mafia to town? Their reasons for switching is scummy that what I mean -_- Palmar never really mentioned BM in his filter at all and so did Rayn as far I remember reading their filters. | ||
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Trfel
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Vivax seems to have an extremely incorrect view of my level of play. Vivax was my coach in my first game ever, and then he played in my second game ever (Carol of the Bells). We haven't played in the same game since then. In my first game, I was killed Night 1, and in my second game, I led a lynch on scum and was killed Night 2. Since then, I have led a large number of mislynches, not truly led a scum lynch, and was only night killed once (due to incorrect reputation on Night 1, I was on a plane for much of Day 1 in that game). My two most recent games were losses in 3p and 5p LYLO, due to me not being able to make correct reads. Vivax, don't shoot me. I'm town. You really don't want to do that. But if I spend all my time trying to convince you not to shoot me, I'll just derail the thread, and I won't be able to find scum. I hope you can understand why I felt your play post-Toadesstern counterclaim was scummy and contradictory. I'm going to go read this game, and I'm going to try to avoid interacting with the thread so as to not distract myself. | ||
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Vivax
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Holyflare
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On March 22 2015 00:12 LightningStrike wrote: Their reasons for switching is scummy that what I mean -_- Palmar never really mentioned BM in his filter at all and so did Rayn as far I remember reading their filters. nobody really in this entire game has mentioned bm | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 22 2015 00:39 Holyflare wrote: nobody really in this entire game has mentioned bm and why does it matter if they mentioned him or not? why does that make them 100% mafia or whatever you said? | ||
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Vivax
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You threw all your reasoning away you presented previously to hop on my convenient wagon. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 22 2015 00:40 Vivax wrote: You literally TR me then decide Toad has to be town then that I have to be scum, in a timing where it was possible for you to pick one over the other. You threw all your reasoning away you presented previously to hop on my convenient wagon. buddy in a normal game if someone claims blue and someone else cc's them who do you believe? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 22 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote: buddy in a normal game if someone claims blue and someone else cc's them who do you believe? but i don't know why you're twisting your original reason of him thinking there were 2 town vigis and then suddenly not to this ^^^ | ||
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Vivax
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On March 22 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote: buddy in a normal game if someone claims blue and someone else cc's them who do you believe? Well I asked Trfel what he would think if he claimed blue and then somebody CCd him. He said "I don't know", obviously cause his argumentation was that I'm scum for scumreading Toad who I scumread ever since he whined about Palmar at start of D1. Just read it really. When the obvious answer is that if I get CCd my own role I will first think the other guy is scum. | ||
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Vivax
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On March 22 2015 00:43 Holyflare wrote: but i don't know why you're twisting your original reason of him thinking there were 2 town vigis and then suddenly not to this ^^^ This guy claimed he thinks two town vigis are likely and cause I don't believed the same from the start and pushed Toad initially I was scum. So there wasn't even a point in claiming he was soooo unsure about the existence of multiple vigs when he decided he would scumread me anyway based on the flimsy argument. | ||
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Trfel
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I had two reasons for lynching Vivax. 1. Poor and inconsistent play after Toadesstern's counter-claim. 2. Helping to resolve the vigilante mess, since night actions are very likely not to do it. Much of my reason for townreading Vivax was because of the non cc'd vigilante claim. Other than that, I did not have a good town read on Vivax, I just didn't want to lynch him on Day 1.. This is a significant difference. On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote: "I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch" isn't the same as "Vivax is town".Well...... ##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's case). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker. I would never have decided to lynch Toadesstern there. Toadesstern counter-claimed when that would be a poor play for mafia to do. He was very forceful about pushing the lynch, as well, and I had a light townread on him for his push on Palmar (despite disagreeing with the Palmar scumread). After both you and Toadesstern claimed, Toadesstern was never a lynch possibility. It was either you or someone else. And your play made me confident that you were the best lynch (in addition to not liking the Bill Murray push). I know I said I wasn't going to interact, but I'm going to get shot.... and I can't allow that to happen. | ||
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Vivax
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On March 22 2015 00:11 Trfel wrote: Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted...... Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. | ||
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Holyflare
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