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Also. Why are you saying my push on bm is scummy WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES???? That just boggles my mind.
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Also. Why are you saying my push on bm is scummy WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES???? That just boggles my mind. | ||
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Vivax
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On March 22 2015 01:21 Trfel wrote: As I said, I tried to look for alternative wagons by asking people for summaries of the wagons. I specifically remember asking about sicklucker and LightningStrike. But no one was interested at all, no one responded, so I let that drop. I've read the first 40 pages of the game carefully. I read from some page before the claims through the lynch, and I've read the last few pages. I've glanced through a few filters and cases that people said were important. I did what I thought was best with the information I had. Being well over 50 pages down when the lynch was happening, I thought it would be better to get summaries from other players and reread key parts of the game than trying to read the entire game or just reading filters and making my decisions 100% on my own (no context that way). I do want to go read the game, but if I get shot, there isn't much point of that. If town!Vivax shoots me, that would be extremely bad for town, so unfortunately that takes precedence over trying to read the game. If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. I don't have any reads on anyone at the moment, it would be premature for me to do so until I read the entire game, and then reread several filters more carefully. + Show Spoiler [If you must have reads...] + Here's what I'm thinking right now, though again, my reads are quite likely to change once I get some more time. I still lean mafia on Vivax, although it seems that his actions post-lynch were townie, and I haven't read that part of the game. Artanis[Xp] switched to townread on Vivax, so that indicates that Vivax is probably town, even though I don't know why and my own, limited read says he is mafia. I'm still skeptical of raynpelikoneet. Not sold on the tracker claim, not sold on his level of play. It seems noticeably below his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 1. But the night actions ought to help with raynpelikoneet. I'm somewhat suspicious of Holyflare as well. I like how he was very aggressive to start wagons, notably his early pushes on Alakaslam and sicklucker. However, I don't think the sicklucker push was terribly alignment indicative (of sicklucker), and the Alakaslam push boiled down to a few misunderstandings (as both Holyflare and Alakaslam later realized). In addition, Holyflare is aggressive as mafia as well (Linux Mafia). The one strange thing about Holyflare is his push onto Bill Murray. That was a pretty bad push. In a critical stage of the game (two claimed vigilantes up for lynch), Holyflare made a (self admitted) terrible push against a fairly inactive player. And now he blames it on being drunk. Were it not for the Bill Murray push, I would put Holyflare as town, but now I'm not so sure.... I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: On March 21 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote: Sorry, real life jumped up and got frustrating.... Based on the voting, it seems that Vivax and LightningStrike are most likely to be lynched. Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Damdred wrote a case on Vivax, so I will go read that. Whose filter should I read to see the LightningStrike case? Thanks. This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote: Well...... ##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's case). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 21 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote: This is me trying to figure out what the main wagons are, so I can be more focused. I obviously wasn't in a position to start a wagon of my own. I did the same thing in my first Newbie Mafia game (third game ever, as town), and I think it's better than trying to read the whole game when the lynch is near.Sorry, real life jumped up and got frustrating.... Based on the voting, it seems that Vivax and LightningStrike are most likely to be lynched. Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Damdred wrote a case on Vivax, so I will go read that. Whose filter should I read to see the LightningStrike case? Thanks. I considered a raynpelikoneet lynch several times, but people didn't seem to like it, so I let it drop. On March 21 2015 06:18 Trfel wrote: No one responded to this.What about potentially a sicklucker or LightningStrike lynch? Palmar, why did you switch to Vivax from Toadesstern? From here, Holyflare started his Bill Murray push, but by this time I was more confident in my Vivax scumread and I didn't see why years-old meta would make Bill Murray scum at all. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vivax
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If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. The other way around please. Wtf??? Why should I show any understanding for a guy who almost lynched me and then says "lol didn't read". | ||
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Vivax
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Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? lol | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:26 Holyflare wrote: The Bill Murray push was bad. Do you want to argue with this?The bill murray lynch MAKES me town btw. No idea why nobody sees that piece of obviousness. Always get scum read for making a wagon and never the sheep that follow Also. Why are you saying my push on bm is scummy WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES???? That just boggles my mind. If I were to scumread anyone right now, it would be you and several of the people that followed your wagon. Why does the Bill Murray lynch make you town? I don't see that logic, unless you're treating Vivax and Toadesstern as extremely likely to be town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote: I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? Not to mention there is a really good case on LightningStrike in my filter but my filter is apparently "weak". | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:28 Vivax wrote: I maintain that your lynch was good. Your play doesn't make sense from a town perspective.The other way around please. Wtf??? Why should I show any understanding for a guy who almost lynched me and then says "lol didn't read". Though your continual stubbornness says otherwise. If I go and spend a ton of time reading the game, I'll get shot. And how does that benefit anyone? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:30 Trfel wrote: The Bill Murray push was bad. Do you want to argue with this? If I were to scumread anyone right now, it would be you and several of the people that followed your wagon. Why does the Bill Murray lynch make you town? I don't see that logic, unless you're treating Vivax and Toadesstern as extremely likely to be town. It wasn't actually bad by conventional lynch standards. Obviously he flipped town and it was bad but it's easy to call it bad after the matter. What was bad about it? Like I just don't understand. How on earth can you say you wanted to search for other wagons than vivax/toad but then scum read me for pushing other wagons?????? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
but I brought up all these reasons before the lynch (well vivax being towny before obv) and theorised that they both could be town so why am I scummy for thinking what you do before you do? it just makes me smarter | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Trfel
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On March 22 2015 01:37 Holyflare wrote: Bill Murray had a fairly small filter and inactivity excuses. But at the same time, many of his posts showed analysis and scumhunting. You decided to push him for not being extremely crazy and for being away for large portions of time. This is based on years-old meta, and so I don't think it is a good push. Basically a policy lynch.It wasn't actually bad by conventional lynch standards. Obviously he flipped town and it was bad but it's easy to call it bad after the matter. What was bad about it? Like I just don't understand. How on earth can you say you wanted to search for other wagons than vivax/toad but then scum read me for pushing other wagons?????? I'm not thinking that it's suspicious that you searched for an alternative wagon, just that you decided to lynch Bill Murray for the reasons you did. Had you pushed for sicklucker or someone with more reasons that they could be scum, I wouldn't have minded in the slightest. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
so um no offense guys but lol...truffle isn't scum...like 95% sure xP i mean viva you're gonna do what you're gonna do -shrugs- but...this is kinda silly | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
what's scummy about those two things? i interpret this simply to mean that he thinks BM was town and is trying to make you explain why you thought otherwise | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
trfel - holyflare/onegu (you'd be higher but i'm just ><ing at onegu lol) - vivax - - - - - - - - - - - - slam, rayn | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:44 Holyflare wrote: I looked in your filter and control-f'd mason, and didn't see anything about Onegu at all.and you don't even mention me and onegu combined which is just absolutely silly since if I was mafia he would have been too So this claim hasn't really gone into my consideration at all. I'll get to it eventually. I do think I sort-of get what you're saying, though. Thanks for explaining it. I need to go get lunch. And after lunch I will try my best to refrain from posting to read the game. | ||
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