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On January 03 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, what do you make of the final votecount? That there are not enough votes on Vivax.
Been half catching up. Not sure if I have D&D tonight so maybe I'll be on all night or not. But yah.
A few things I've noticed. First off, there's every reason to move off of me and onto Batsnacks if you're mafia. Take a look at Russian. I semi-organized, semi-let-it-happen a late switch off of Damdred iirc and onto someone else (a lurker maybe). It sent town into a huge tizzy and Damdred likely would've been the lynch the next day regardless of Rayn getting modkilled. There's a bunch of reason to keep me around as mafia. You can get cop to out with a red check (a double boon). You get a freebie mislynch. I think there's actually pretty good odds that there's 2 mafia on Batsnacks, 1 on me, 1 not on main wagons and 1 anywhere.
On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Eden1892, batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sickl6ucker, IAmRobikNot Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
There are a few interesting things to note. Despite most everyone reading Koshi as town and calling his points on Vivax valid. Almost no one sheeped that. That's actually quite odd as he's quite a good player. Artanis switching to Batsnacks might not be awful; he had solid enough reasons to reason that I'm not mafia. The question though is why are other people switching. Palmer and Marv both want me dead. DrH wants me dead; he'd love to shoot Chyz. But he ends up Batsnacks seemingly out of nowhere. Ritoky only voted once but wants to lynch sicklucker for "hammering" Batsnacks. Superbia is likely either medic or mafia. So far from what I've read of Vivax he hasn't really had his oddball town way of looking at things. I'll double check when I get back, but he's a good flip for Koshi's reasons too. The mafia on me is likely LazerM. Marv might actually be town; I really don't know. I waffle on him something good.
I'm not sure who or where the fifth is. Kinda lost and need to reread and shit. But from filtering this is where I'm at now.
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i mean it just goes on and on
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On January 03 2015 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
this can't come from a town Vivax
can it?
You tell me. I am kinda biased.
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Palmar why am I mafia.
I was mostly trolling, or I guess venting, with the JAT thing. Don't lynch him automatically, but make sure that if he does more dumb shit you do
And why say that by PoE he's mafia, then turn it into trolling.cause it looks like he wasn't following your orders on lynching geript, is hence dumb, but we have to be on the lookout for further happenings from his part, and right after you put him into the townpile.
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On January 03 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 08:12 Eden1892 wrote:On January 03 2015 07:56 sicklucker wrote:
@edin im a math person and not confident in day 1 reads. When 4 people I believe to be town agree on a lynch I will follow their instincts over my own. Thats all their really is to it. If 4 people I believe are town of 6 think player x is mafia he is the most likely mafia in my mind. Would you describe yourself as not confident in your read on geript on day 1? Rereading the vote counts I believe the 4 town reads you cited were me, Doc, Arty and Damdred. Is that correct? If so, can you explain for me why you townread Artanis day 1? If not, can you tell me who they were? Correct. Like artanis was the one who called out gerit for his half ass poor read on me. From my pov hes correct so for day one hes totally town could be pocketed but less likely
I need an answer to the first question in my last post here. Would you describe yourself as not confident in your read on geript on day 1?
Can you elaborate a bit on what read Artanis called out from geript that made Artanis seem town to you?
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On January 03 2015 08:33 Vivax wrote:Palmar why am I mafia. Show nested quote +
I was mostly trolling, or I guess venting, with the JAT thing. Don't lynch him automatically, but make sure that if he does more dumb shit you do
And why say that by PoE he's mafia, then turn it into trolling.cause it looks like he wasn't following your orders on lynching geript, is hence dumb, but we have to be on the lookout for further happenings from his part, and right after you put him into the townpile.
Understanding this isn't exactly rocket science.
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And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed.
Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game.
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ok I'm unbolding GB for being so bad it hurts and bolding Vivax for being so bad it hurts.
yes it all hangs together.
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On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:
And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed.
Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game.
this is a good post.
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although it is in large part explained by Palmar being a loon
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On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:
And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed.
Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game.
I didn't realise you were here but yes I want to look at your case again
look at the case SL and dam made and especiaally look at how scummy SL has been (my case) and then you can understand why that lynch was bad.
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On January 03 2015 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
ok I'm unbolding GB for being so bad it hurts and bolding Vivax for being so bad it hurts.
yes it all hangs together.
WHats this supposed to mean.
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On January 03 2015 08:43 marvellosity wrote:
although it is in large part explained by Palmar being a loon
I was on the verge of ranting at him specifically for this and telling him to get his mind right, cause I don't really remember Palmar going off the handle like this as town when things don't go his way. But as I was thinking it he said he was gonna go play DOTA, so I figured the better way to let him get his head right was to let him do that instead of submitting him to another voice in the game yelling at him.
I'd still like him to explain though. Even if I'm just bad and don't see how the lynch is bad, I can develop myself as a player from the critique.
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I find it weird that basically the thread was crapping on batsnacks for not using his vote to save himself as though it were mafia indicative yet the same behavior seems to be giving people (like sicklucker) doubts about geript.
I have to go to work now, I won't be able to post really at all for the rest of the night. But I will be reading and lurking, might make short posts if I feel the need to.
I don't like geript, sicklucker, vivax, thechyz, palmar, artanis, damdred the most. I'd say my confidence goes about in that order since I've done the least reading on artanis and damdred specifically.
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Eden you made this giant post on bats with 3 reasons for calling him scum. I think your second case is good because I made it.
My question is this. If you have 3 reasons for calling bats scum right at the deadline why didn't you bother to read him or make a case on him earlier.
It feels like TMI
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On January 03 2015 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:
And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed.
Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game. I didn't realise you were here but yes I want to look at your case again look at the case SL and dam made and especiaally look at how scummy SL has been (my case) and then you can understand why that lynch was bad.
Why would their cases matter for the lynch being bad? Unless their cases are better than mine, and are still bad, they seem irrelevant. Sorry but I'm not going to be convinced a lynch I pushed and wrote a big case for is bad by being redirected to other people writing cases for the same lynch. I know you're saying you want to look at it again, would you care to do so and talk to me about mine, please?
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Eden, would you say your towngame changed since heavyweight? If the answer is yes then how?
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On January 03 2015 08:50 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:
And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed.
Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game. I didn't realise you were here but yes I want to look at your case again look at the case SL and dam made and especiaally look at how scummy SL has been (my case) and then you can understand why that lynch was bad. Why would their cases matter for the lynch being bad? Unless their cases are better than mine, and are still bad, they seem irrelevant. Sorry but I'm not going to be convinced a lynch I pushed and wrote a big case for is bad by being redirected to other people writing cases for the same lynch. I know you're saying you want to look at it again, would you care to do so and talk to me about mine, please?
right at the deadline a bunch of people who have done nothing come forward and jump on a bandwagon with really bad reads and it doesn't give you pause.
alright.
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On January 03 2015 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden you made this giant post on bats with 3 reasons for calling him scum. I think your second case is good because I made it.
My question is this. If you have 3 reasons for calling bats scum right at the deadline why didn't you bother to read him or make a case on him earlier.
It feels like TMI
Someone else brought him up as a possible kill when there was roughly an hour or so left. I want to say Artanis without looking, but I don't know. I don't remember remembering anything batsnacks had done to that point, and I remember saying I would read batsnacks instead of someone else (I think Lazermonkey and Vivax?). I read his filter, examined the context of the posts I thought were important and made the case in a larger post.
I certainly wouldn't call it "right at the deadline," I think I made it with about 50 minutes left in the day, with at least a half-dozen people online to see it. Close, but not so close that people didn't have time to evaluate it for themselves.
I have to admit I don't really understand where your question is going.
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I think my reads are too good this game.
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