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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 22:48 GMT
#2441
Registering: I don't like Artanis because at page 24 he gives a town lean to DrH because "people with a critical mass of words tend to be town" is completely shit. Also, I'm amazed that TheChyz opening caused so much controversy when there's nothing wrong with his opening, while DrH has the worst opening I have seen since I started playing.
It's just plain ridiculous.
I'm adorable.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:48 GMT
#2442
On January 03 2015 07:46 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:41 Vivax wrote:
ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw.


Not sure if sarcasm when he tilted.

I don't really get why he would, as mafia, ragequit right after trying to post a big case on Lazermonkey and right before posting all his claimed notes for the game, though. Like if he's mafia giving up and letting himself get lynched why would you bother to post a big list of things?

misdirection
last effort for sympathy
so that you will say what you're saying rn. it doesn't mean anything. what makes it so impossible for scum to post a list
RIP Aaliyah
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 22:51 GMT
#2443
On January 03 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 03 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:
On January 03 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, what do you make of the final votecount?

That there are not enough votes on Vivax.


Well, do you believe the wagon on bats was pure town?

What do you believe?


I have yet to catch up to understand the voting dynamics that occurred, but I preliminary see two scenarios where;
1) geript was mafia and mafia was trying to mislynch TheChyz to keep geript alive or
2) both wagons were town and the wagon on bats was lead by town, so it COULD be pure town but I find hard to believe scum wouldn't spread their votes without putting a single vote on bats.
I'm adorable.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 02 2015 22:52 GMT
#2444
I didn't say it was impossible, I questioned the motive for doing it. Last effort for sympathy doesn't really make sense when he self-voted. Misdirection only works if people bother to read what was in those notes and I almost guarantee no one has yet.

I think it means something, as I've said before:

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 12:49 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 02 2015 12:36 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not really sure what to do with geript. He's started trying, which increases the chances of him being town; it can make sense for a caught mafia to give up but never really does for a townie being mislynched, so the fact that he's trying to avoid getting killed is probably good all else being the same.

...meanwhile, Chyz apparently decided to self-vote and leave. Ugh.

Forget I said this, I was reading Chyz town until he did that and him doing it reads frustrated town rather than mafia. I can't really see why a mafia would bother posting a huge reads list that would just leave his teammates at risk of getting caught by association if he's going to self-vote. You self-vote as mafia to end the day quicker and get people complacent with that vote, not to give them a road map for how to find your team.

As for why, I go back to that large case Chyz wrote on Lazermonkey and it rings so genuine to me. Maybe I'm just a sucker for his opening line about excessive emotional investment but I feel like it would take a stone cold liar to throw something like that out as mafia just to excuse your previous play. I know there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that as mafia, but I figure if you're making up an excuse for your previous absence, you're going to pick something that sounds plausible, which means the excuse you're going to give is deliberate and something you've thought about. Something about claiming you were "too emotionally invested for my own health" seems... out of bounds, you know? Hopefully this makes sense to someone else cause I think it makes perfect sense to me but I can't really find the words. Just seems like lying about your emotional well-being is a shitty thing to do to win a game. And I'm gonna admit I didn't actually read the case on Lazermonkey beyond recognizing that it was one of those classic confirmation bias supertrains that everybody who's ever played town enough times has taken themselves on.

And the emotional-investment thing kinda proved itself decisively when he self-voted, didn't it.

I'm not killing Chyz today and I really recommend others don't. I really wish he hadn't self-voted but I can't see how the sequence of posts of his at the end was from a mafia POV.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 02 2015 22:54 GMT
#2445
On January 03 2015 07:15 Koshi wrote:
For the people who want to lynch scum on D2/D3/D4

D2:
Vivax is scum
This is a freebie. Look at the cases I made at the start of the night.
During the night Vivax was telling JAT he is scum. He won't be bothered to explain it to the thread why JAT is scum, so I don't suggest reading his conversation with JAT. It was pretty numb.

D3:
geript / robik
Now with 1 scum down you can lynch between these 2 players. Just lynch the player who is the least town. Both players are able to bleed town by making logical & thoughtful posts combined with some serious inner fire. The person who is the least able to do it is scum. It will be obvious because you can compare it between them. If you know that 1 is really town and the other is maybe town/maybe scum. Take it from me he is scum. If they both suck ass they are both scum.

D4:
Kill marv if he is alive. Without modkills you will make it to D4. ALWAYS LYNCH MARV when he is alive. When he suddenly strats bleeding town this day you still lynch him.
Otherwise. Lynch somebody out of GB/ritoky/sickluster/Damdred. I trust you that you can form a read after playing 4 cycles.

I am off to bed. gl hf.

scum don't kill me. Thx.
I had a good night of sleep.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:55 GMT
#2446
it certainly doesn't seem to mean he gave a shit about his list or believed in his reads very strongly
RIP Aaliyah
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2015 22:56 GMT
#2447
@edin im a math person and not confident in day 1 reads. When 4 people I believe to be town agree on a lynch I will follow their instincts over my own. Thats all their really is to it. If 4 people I believe are town of 6 think player x is mafia he is the most likely mafia in my mind.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 23:03 GMT
#2448
You were extremely confident about geript until he voted vivax though
RIP Aaliyah
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 02 2015 23:05 GMT
#2449
Hi, I'm here again.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 02 2015 23:12 GMT
#2450
On January 03 2015 07:56 sicklucker wrote:
@edin im a math person and not confident in day 1 reads. When 4 people I believe to be town agree on a lynch I will follow their instincts over my own. Thats all their really is to it. If 4 people I believe are town of 6 think player x is mafia he is the most likely mafia in my mind.

Would you describe yourself as not confident in your read on geript on day 1?

Rereading the vote counts I believe the 4 town reads you cited were me, Doc, Arty and Damdred. Is that correct? If so, can you explain for me why you townread Artanis day 1? If not, can you tell me who they were?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 02 2015 23:16 GMT
#2451
JAT is mafia
So is Palmar

Bye
I'm adorable.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 02 2015 23:18 GMT
#2452
On second thought, I'm not doing anything more tonight.

I was mostly trolling, or I guess venting, with the JAT thing. Don't lynch him automatically, but make sure that if he does more dumb shit you do. Look very hard at robik, probably lynch him at some point. He's a very hard lynch. Basically good players who do dumb shit should be considered. But Robik more than JAT.

geript, vivax are still likely to be mafia. Damdred might be as well.

Almost everything else is mostly how it looked like in my big reads post.

Oh and VE might be mafia because RoL didn't do anything. Then again I don't know. Don't let marv afk through another day, but he isn't guaranteed to be mafia

Kosher is probably town.

Eden is another good scum candidate.

Lazermonkey probably town, so is chyz, drh, marv,

screw it I'll make a list:

Probably town (remember, almost guaranteed I put 1 mafia in here):

Koshi
GlowingBear
Artanis[XP]
Lazermonkey
Marvellosity
justanothertownie
TheChyz
Palmar
KelsierSC
DoctorHelvetica

So lynch somewhere in this list:

Geript
IAmRobik
Damdred
sicklucker
Vivax
ritoky
Eden1892
VisceraEyes
Superbia

Seems about right. I haven't really read sicklucker and superbia. But I think I recall sl saying something that was maybe town. But idk...

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 02 2015 23:18 GMT
#2453
On January 03 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:
JAT is mafia
So is Palmar

Bye

Dumbest read of the day goes to you sir.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 02 2015 23:19 GMT
#2454
But then again, is so dumb GB is probably confirmed town.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 02 2015 23:19 GMT
#2455
On January 03 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 02:16 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason why you are being hostile towards jat?

Do you think he is scum?


Yes his noisy presence when I attempted to analyse Eden's posts in thread bothered me and now that I see evidence for him claiming to have some sort of interest into figuring Eden out but then doing exactly the opposite you can expect some more hostility from me.

lol is this even a post?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 02 2015 23:20 GMT
#2456
On January 03 2015 08:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:
JAT is mafia
So is Palmar

Bye

Dumbest read of the day goes to you sir.

Yeah, way to embarass yourself...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 02 2015 23:21 GMT
#2457
On January 03 2015 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 03 2015 02:16 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason why you are being hostile towards jat?

Do you think he is scum?


Yes his noisy presence when I attempted to analyse Eden's posts in thread bothered me and now that I see evidence for him claiming to have some sort of interest into figuring Eden out but then doing exactly the opposite you can expect some more hostility from me.

lol is this even a post?

Just wait. There is more.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 02 2015 23:21 GMT
#2458
On January 03 2015 08:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:56 sicklucker wrote:
@edin im a math person and not confident in day 1 reads. When 4 people I believe to be town agree on a lynch I will follow their instincts over my own. Thats all their really is to it. If 4 people I believe are town of 6 think player x is mafia he is the most likely mafia in my mind.

Would you describe yourself as not confident in your read on geript on day 1?

Rereading the vote counts I believe the 4 town reads you cited were me, Doc, Arty and Damdred. Is that correct? If so, can you explain for me why you townread Artanis day 1? If not, can you tell me who they were?


Correct. Like artanis was the one who called out gerit for his half ass poor read on me. From my pov hes correct so for day one hes totally town could be pocketed but less likely
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 02 2015 23:24 GMT
#2459
On January 03 2015 08:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
On January 03 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 03 2015 02:16 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason why you are being hostile towards jat?

Do you think he is scum?


Yes his noisy presence when I attempted to analyse Eden's posts in thread bothered me and now that I see evidence for him claiming to have some sort of interest into figuring Eden out but then doing exactly the opposite you can expect some more hostility from me.

lol is this even a post?

Just wait. There is more.

this is some world class reaching I'm reading right now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 02 2015 23:29 GMT
#2460
this can't come from a town Vivax

can it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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