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On December 12 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:37 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 10:36 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, you misunderstood. Ritoky used HF's play in Hearthstone Mafia as a valid comparison for scumlisting HF. The point was on HF's gameplay, not Ritoky's.
I am not using meta to scumread Ritoky. I am reading Ritoky's filter and seeing holes in his argument against HF. have you played with HF before when he is scum? i was masoned with him when he was scum in HS mafia, i got to see how he works behind the scenes a bit, this is HF mafia. Here's an exercise you MUST do to show that you're actually not full of shit. Prove to me/everyone that what I've done "behind the scenes" is anything like I've done in this actual game. There's a whole mason chat for you to quote. PROVE that this game is exactly like hearthstone mafia and I'm such an easy read. SHOW comparisons or just continue to dwindle into obscurity and get lynched. All you've done so far is post contradictions about my scum meta being calm yet saying how I fooled you in hearthstone even though you had the same meta read there.
You have 34 pages of filter plus 50 posts in that game so it will take quite some time, but I can start you off with an example:
From the mason QT: For this example - LT is mafia with HF, Obi is town
ritoky - LT zoomin up my list
HF - Yyuuuuup such generic responses. Also obi alludes to nothing he wrote at all and even when he was around didn't say shit about why damd wasn't a good lynch
HF - Obi is so so scummy and I'm super ridiculously tunnelled on him. I hate using this phrase but is he too scummy to be scum???? Literally has 0 scum reads that aren't bs
ritoky - yeah he is just typing out his ass...idk if it is to piss you off at this point or just cuz he is typing out of his ass.
i think LT is worse than him tho. at least this stupid shit was obi's idea. LT is actively buying this stupid shit for NO REASON.
like his reason was bullshit and a half.
ritoky - went ham on LT, going to bed. hopefully it gets shit going in a good direction.
HF - I'll probably sheep the lt thing just wanna pressure obi a lot
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On November 02 2014 15:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 15:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On November 02 2014 15:08 Holyflare wrote:
This won't stop until you actually explain stuff btw. You haven't elaborated on any of your points whatsoever. I don't see what I haven't elaborated on. I've stated that I find the fact you're pushing really useless and you keep pressuring me in order to make me think it's not useless. No I'm pushing something multiple people agreed with and wondering why you were the only person to not agree with it and every response you leave just leaves more holes and question marks. Like there's quite literally no reason to say damd is a bad lynch unless you have a reason to not lynch him and his posts were town motivated. As it stands you have given NO town motivation to lie about reads and there is only scum motivation so you calling it bad is totally unjustified, scummy because it looks like tmi and worse now that you have "explained". We don't have to talk about it more because it's quite evident that you're mafia. Feel free to bring up a new useful subject to talk about though instead of complaining how boring this is and asking me to drop talking about it.
On November 02 2014 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
Just go away then your defence was a waste and you criticise bh for having no elaboration when your only semi read on bh contains no read of his filter and isn't properly elaborated because of that. So you pretty much have no real scum read
On November 02 2014 16:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On November 02 2014 15:53 Holyflare wrote:
I can't see how you're complaining that people can't read you when you've done absolutely nothing but defend someone who looked extremely like scum and you have no real scum reads. He didn't look like scum. What part of this are you not getting? Stop saying that I'm not doing anything. I'm doing stuff right now and you're just blowing me off. It's infuriating. If damd hadn't have extended this day you would have gone into n1 with a defence of someone out of the blue that looked scummy (your reasons for the defence make no sense and you even retroactively defended him by saying he posted his reads that's why he wasn't scummy even though we're talking about before he posted them) and having a scum read on bh which is factually incorrect and is contained in like 3 lines of 1 post. Oh also town reads on me and oats for really silly reasons. You think that's enough? 0 scum reads (you didn't even read bh's filter) and 2 mediocre town reads based on 1 post a few hours into the game??? Really?
On November 02 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote:
But no super town hero obi berates us all for "misreading" him based on that
My point here is that in the thread HF is sitting there going ham on his top scum read which is Obi; trying to drive home a lynch. Yet his vote doesn't move. It sits with me and my read on LT. In the thread he is pushing his scum read, but his vote doesn't move from an early read he made and a read he is deferring to me on. Town HF doesn't do this, town HF uses his vote as a weapon, and tries to use his vote as a mechanism for pushing his top scum read, not leaving it to stagnate on an early phase read like he did here with 27NB. In the thread he is kicking and screaming about scum read x and y, yet his vote sits static on an early read or a deferred read. If you want me to find an example of town HF throwing a giant fit to get hit way in a vote and using his vote as a weapon, I am sure that will be plenty easy to locate.
He does this again 2 more times later in the game (it will take me a while to find it though because his filter in that game is friggin enormous) if you want me to keep going. Where he is yelling about how someone is scum only to have his vote sit on someone else pretty much the entirety of the phase. Did the same thing this game, pushing other people in the thread while his vote is static on an early or deferred read.
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On December 12 2014 10:58 Holyflare wrote:
About 1000 people have role claimed. Should be super simple for mafia to just hit all blues because of it.
This is true. But most of them were named VT or other more or less useless (now) roles. Not bright, granted, but it's not on the same level as if you were, say, kush claiming scrooge. And he just didn't give a shit.
So Ritoky doing something equivalent to that is super questionable. Especially since he is actually playing where kush was not.
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aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it
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On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
He talked about me not pushing bunnies adequately (haha) not xata. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently.
in regards to vivax, kels, and xat; i meant he is pushing on them in the thread, but following it up with 0 vote pressure in terms of actually trying to lynch them. read my more recent post to understand a little bit more.
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On December 12 2014 10:59 Half the Sky wrote:Unless I misunderstood the rules, I didn't think we had our hands on a hard number for sure.
Ya I thought so too, and someone said theres 5 and I hate scum slips but it kinda seemed like one which is why im asking...
Also im gonna go over my limit pretty fast.
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2am...FML. Good night, will continue on this around lunchtime or so. LS, I will remember to follow up on Oats, but I'd say for now, it's not looking good. He just seemed way more involved.
Rasputin, since you're here, can you give a comparison of Oats' gameplay as you know it versus what we're seeing now, (or if you have an opinion, then what?) we are trying to see if we can compare playstyles and get something alignment indicative. My opinion from SMIV is that it's not looking good, but this isn't a mini game either. LS gave a load of links to go through a few pages ago.
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On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:YES. He is of the 5.
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On December 12 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it
No I said your excuse was really bad and I told you the death present has already been used so its even worse.
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On December 12 2014 11:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it No I said your excuse was really bad and I told you the death present has already been used so its even worse.
how do you know the death present was used? are you saying you know FOR CERTAIN he wasn't shot?
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I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.
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Well I cant logically vote ritoky hes a potential role who mafia should kill if hes town.
##vote Tubesock Scumslip?
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On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.
in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.
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On December 12 2014 11:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:On December 12 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
He talked about me not pushing bunnies adequately (haha) not xata. On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently. in regards to vivax, kels, and xat; i meant he is pushing on them in the thread, but following it up with 0 vote pressure in terms of actually trying to lynch them. read my more recent post to understand a little bit more.
2 of those 3 people aren't even my scum reads
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On December 12 2014 11:05 Half the Sky wrote:
2am...FML. Good night, will continue on this around lunchtime or so. LS, I will remember to follow up on Oats, but I'd say for now, it's not looking good. He just seemed way more involved.
Rasputin, since you're here, can you give a comparison of Oats' gameplay as you know it versus what we're seeing now, (or if you have an opinion, then what?) we are trying to see if we can compare playstyles and get something alignment indicative. My opinion from SMIV is that it's not looking good, but this isn't a mini game either. LS gave a load of links to go through a few pages ago.
Heh, he's certainly less present this game, but the only one I'm comfortable giving a meta-read on is SL, and that's just cause he's so careless it's obvious. As a near plynch, sure...but I wouldn't vote Oats Day 2 unless I see something scummy from his corner, and he's reading more null than anything to me right now.
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On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel. in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.
actually maybe i got my games messed up on this one....ughhhhh
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On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel. in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.
My emotional state in a game isn't related to my alignment at all. You also criticised me of not being salty and pushing people for bad votes right after i was criticising people for bad votes so your whole point is baseless.
I have literally no idea how you can even have this read at all. These games are not alike in the slightest. Like just LAST game i was scum read for not giving a shit about the lynch/not pushing who i thought was scum at deadline. Guess who pushed that? Mafia geript. Guess what I was? Town
Gg get rekt
##vote ritoky
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Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully.
I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though...
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:YES. He is of the 5.
5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote
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Templar has a good shot at being scum. For someone who has been NKd in the first night in every game I was in with him, and one who claimed joyful child on top in this one, his play is very underwhelming considering he shows the same pattern of listing multiple scumreads but then focusing only on bunnies or setup/role-related stuff. The big posts can be deceiving and the content is often all over the place. He lacks a healthy focus on what he finds interesting (and as town I figure it wouldn't be to focus on how much time is left to deadline or what someone should or shouldn't claim)
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On December 12 2014 11:16 Vivax wrote:
Templar has a good shot at being scum. For someone who has been NKd in the first night in every game I was in with him, and one who claimed joyful child on top in this one, his play is very underwhelming considering he shows the same pattern of listing multiple scumreads but then focusing only on bunnies or setup/role-related stuff. The big posts can be deceiving and the content is often all over the place. He lacks a healthy focus on what he finds interesting (and as town I figure it wouldn't be to focus on how much time is left to deadline or what someone should or shouldn't claim)
I don't find this game interesting any more because:
1. I hate christmas
2. I wanted to play a small, not as many pages game. Seeing 30 new pages before day 1 was half done broke my spirit.
WIFOM, but if I was mafia I would be still trying to play this game. I don't like to let people who are pressuring me to help them win down >_>
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On December 12 2014 11:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel. in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it. My emotional state in a game isn't related to my alignment at all. You also criticised me of not being salty and pushing people for bad votes right after i was criticising people for bad votes so your whole point is baseless. I have literally no idea how you can even have this read at all. These games are not alike in the slightest. Like just LAST game i was scum read for not giving a shit about the lynch/not pushing who i thought was scum at deadline. Guess who pushed that? Mafia geript. Guess what I was? Town Gg get rekt ##vote ritoky
1) it is
2) i just demonstrated how you're doing the exact same thing and you said 0 about it cuz it is true.
3) last game you died night 1 after fighting tooth and nail all phase to get hopeless lynched
Gg get rekt
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