EPTI think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today.
What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash?
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today. What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
On November 26 2014 20:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah man deadlines are rough for us. I will probably be around if you find anything you want to talk about. I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today. What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? Not bad actually, I can't see any real reason not to vote for dicksmash. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On November 26 2014 11:07 batsnacks wrote: Oats seriously it shouldn't be hard for you to convince me you're town in this game. Give a good read on someone else it will go a long way. You're halfway there already, I agree with your meatpudding read. This feels like he knows Oats alignment and is trying to get him on his side. If not what then convinced him that oats was town that would make him then change his vote to someone he had an early town read on and hasn't done much in the mean time Yes the fact that dicksmash ahsn't done much in the mean time is bad and that he won't be around until later is also bad but I don't think bats has actually tried to figure out Oats at all and am not sure what he is trying to accomplish with his vote on dicksmash since he hasn't said anything at all about think he is scum. But is voting someone you dont have a reason not to vote for a good play. How many other people fit into that category for you at this time? | ||
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Dicksmash McIroncock
135 Posts
On November 26 2014 20:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah man deadlines are rough for us. I will probably be around if you find anything you want to talk about. I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today. What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? He didn't even bother to explain why. HES STILL NOT GIVING READS. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On November 26 2014 20:51 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote: He didn't even bother to explain why. HES STILL NOT GIVING READS. What's your reads other than bats? | ||
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Dicksmash McIroncock
135 Posts
Honestly mostly town. Not sure how I feel about SLnhis posts feel slippery but that's not alignment indicative. Kush reads town honestly I don't see why everyone says otherwise. Not sure why everyone's written HTS off he's onlyngot a one page filter so that's still up in the air bag t I read him town | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
On November 26 2014 20:46 Breshke wrote: I disagree This feels like he knows Oats alignment and is trying to get him on his side. If not what then convinced him that oats was town that would make him then change his vote to someone he had an early town read on and hasn't done much in the mean time Yes the fact that dicksmash ahsn't done much in the mean time is bad and that he won't be around until later is also bad but I don't think bats has actually tried to figure out Oats at all and am not sure what he is trying to accomplish with his vote on dicksmash since he hasn't said anything at all about think he is scum. But is voting someone you dont have a reason not to vote for a good play. How many other people fit into that category for you at this time? It's not the best play, but it's day 1 and information is so limited... definitely no one is confirmed and I only have like two town lean. It's like the battle between the spammers and the lurkers right now. I think bats is pressure voting, I'm not convinced how serious he is with any of his reads. Bats could be scum, but why on earth would he choose oats to pocket? oats has been on his case the entire time. Do you think there is a chance that they are a scum team? Oats is looking almost like a town lean to me. In every post he is pressing for logic and reason. The big problem I have with him is that he has tunneled on batsnacks so hard. Also the fact that both of them said my post was funny, but none decided to push me on it or even vote for pressure. So that's a bit odd. Especially considering the random voting of bats. And yeah while it seems bats hasn't done that much, it looks like he's trolling. It doesn't come off as townie but I'm still not feeling scum here. Anyway I'm not trying to defend bats at all so whatever. I'm not as confident on Trfel as I was before. I feel like what you said about bats could be applied here. He did some good research, but he's pretty much just sheeping oats, no? I fell like he's trying to make a case that feels more solid than it is. The next most scummy thing I've seen so far is slam coming into the thread, random voting and then disappearing. Since he was being ignored he hasn't had to post anything since. | ||
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meatpudding
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
I dont see why i need to vote you when im perfectly happy to lynch bats. | ||
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Dicksmash McIroncock
135 Posts
On November 26 2014 21:34 meatpudding wrote: Dicksmash, what do you think of Trfel and Alakaslam? I can't wade thru trfels posts on a phone, his posts might be substance to trick us into thinking he's town by word count but I'm inclined to believe he's just dedicated town. Null on alaka | ||
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Dicksmash McIroncock
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
To sum it up, it's about quality IMO and not quantity. Going through the last five pages now that have mostly transpired in my sleep... | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
He conveys a lot of confidence in his reads, but I don't see any reasoning behind them. I'm not really sure where he stands on breshke. On November 26 2014 08:53 sicklucker wrote: Bet my left nut on towns - hts, trfel leaning towns - dicksmash, Ls, slam? Longshot crack pot day 1 mafia team call out for fun - rsoultin, Damdred, breske I think we got 2 mafia in the more experienced players, im liking alot of the new guys On November 25 2014 09:59 sicklucker wrote: Ive given my breske read as well. I pretty much just said its weird but hes null . If I wanted to push him id push him. Hes one of the few players I know so I want him to stick around soI can read him more. This read on Damdred is super mysterious and odd. I think he's trying to make it look like he's contributing more than he is. On November 26 2014 09:10 sicklucker wrote: Damdred I think what ive seen is scum. I found it super weird how he never asked breske one question but he asked me 15 of the same question. I dont want to push him yet because I think I can soulread him as I have in a current game I cant talk about. Bresk individuality I dont have much but he hasint been around. I just put him in that longshot scum team from their really weird day 1 interactions together. This is a good start but where is the follow up? If he was town I think it would be important to push on this statement. On November 26 2014 09:34 sicklucker wrote: I already found holes in meats story I dont like him at all. He seems to be handing out reads at random. Trying to justify everything by saying 'I have a good reason but I just can't tell you.' I feel like his game plan is to not get lynched rather than figure out the game. ##Vote sicklucker | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
##unvote ##vote: Oatsmaster I don't think oats plays like this as town. That's probably my final vote today. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Rsoultin - Some reads, some questioning, short filter, but not a lot if any spam. No red flags. After 22 pages, I hope he can come up with more reads, there's way more to work with now. LS - Same as Rsoultin, some reads, and very short filter, no noise, but with 22 pages, again, more input would be appreciated. Alakaslam - About as close as it gets to coasting, dropped in once, had a few minor points, but was largely spam and a joke vote. Concurrent game participation is NOT an excuse - Damdred and SL are in the same game as he is, and they have contributed at least twice as much this game. Likely scum. Meatpudding - 24h gap alone isn't cause for concern, particularly as people have posted less. Some reads are better explained than others, but his calling out of SL makes complete sense. Nothing here really is indicating scum. Null to slight town lean. Kush - No real red flags so far. Some decent reads, called DSMI for his tactics, thinking seems to be townie aligned. Batsnacks - Premature vote on kush, whether you want to define it as pressure or policy, it was way too early to be doing that (8 hours into the game), even if you knew his meta. Adding to that is a lack of reads, a vote for DSMI without explanation and the one of us is dead comment, those last two things don't add up. The policy vote was my biggest problem with him before Trfel even pulled what he did. Oats argument was a weak defence, and I'm not seeing a meta argument anywhere for his behaviour aside from the kush vote. Overall there's too much wrong with Bats to not vote him down. My views on him were scum, but the DSMI vote only reinforces that. SL - First, there was the afk thing at the off, got him nowhere, posts through page 17 are mostly answers to questions, some observations. But post page 17 is what gets me. There's not a lot of original thought in his posts, particularly with casting suspicion on Damdred, and didn't have many reads on more than the 3 players he marked for scum. In fact, most of his discussion is noise or focused on the same three players. I'm not sure why he made Breskhe null and then scumlisted, explanation wasn't very clear at all there. Breskhe - Not posting much, but posts are mostly of substance. No red flags here. Oats - Tunneling on Bats is problematic, even if it was initially justified. Could provide a few more reads, but most of his posts seem town-aligned. Yes there is nitpicking, but the points presented have been valid. I don't agree with LS being scum, not yet, but I understand why he's made that point. Even if I were to play devil's advocate and suspect Oats of being scum, it's not anywhere near as strong as Bats and Damdred. Damdred - I'd like to see Oats' reasoning for calling Damdred scum, but on my end we have the excessive questioning at the beginning of the game and the LS policy vote suggestion, he gives a few reads but drops off with the exception of going toe-to-toe with Oats, which isn't bad in of itself. I believe SL and someone else has called him out too, and I don't see any defence as of page 18. DSMI - massive gap in posting though latter posts have been somewhat okay even if I don't agree with some of his points, although the Bats vote appeared to be a bandwagon vote. Null. Nothing strong. Alakaslam is liable for a (lurker) policy vote at this point with just over 6h remaining, SL is all over the place, but at this point, the overwhelming pile is on Batsmacks. ##Vote Batsnacks | ||
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batsnacks
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 26 2014 21:33 meatpudding wrote: And yeah while it seems bats hasn't done that much, it looks like he's trolling. It doesn't come off as townie but I'm still not feeling scum here. Anyway I'm not trying to defend bats at all so whatever. My problem with trolling (anyone, not just Bats) is that it's noise, it's not productive and creates confusion for townies, especially in a (relative) newcomers' game. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Trfel
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On November 26 2014 18:13 meatpudding wrote: What makes him scum is the way he continues to not produce much content in this game. The analysis from previous games that I brought up shows that he is capable of producing genuine content, and has done so in the past, but only when he was town. He also has avoided responding to my questions, at least until I posted about his mafia history, and I feel like I had to force him to defend himself.I'm not convinced. If you were to sum up your case it seems you're saying that he was highly analytical in other games, but mostly posting without content in this game. So that might be a clue and it's a good observation. At the moment it puts him about equal with kush, slam, LS, rasputin who have not put in very much. (I know I have a one page filter too..). On November 26 2014 10:24 batsnacks wrote: I'm CLEARLY not trying to turn attention. Exactly the opposite. I have been trying to get people to pay attention to you and your case. I think oats is scum and I'm trying to explain it to you. You are voting me because I, allegedly, don't have scum reads. Here, batsnacks quite clearly answered my accusation of not having any good scum reads by saying that he thinks Oatsmaster is scum. I have looked at this multiple times, and I do not agree for previously stated reasons. In the whole batsnacks/Oatsmaster argument, both of them came across as a bit obnoxious. But after reading it multiple times, it seemed that Oatsmaster's intent was to find the mafia, it was just the way he did it that annoyed me a little. But batsnacks seemed to be avoiding doing anything. Anyway, it seems weird to me that batsnacks clearly states that his scum read is Oatsmaster, and then a few posts later, changes his vote to Dicksmash, without explanation. And then changes his vote back to Oatsmaster: On November 27 2014 00:34 batsnacks wrote: SL vote isn't happening meat. ##unvote ##vote: Oatsmaster I don't think oats plays like this as town. That's probably my final vote today. I don't feel like the amount of explanation for these vote changes is anywhere near adequate. If his only scumread is Oatsmaster, why would he move his vote without explanation? Breshke (and perhaps others) brought this up, and then batsnacks moved his vote back. Very weird. As for me sheeping Oatsmaster, I decided to press on batsnacks when the two were arguing with each other and accusing each other. Why didn't I just sheep batsnacks instead? Look at the intent behind their posts, and to me that makes it clear. Also, if I was just on a bandwagon instead of finding actual evidence, I would have voted for batsnacks when kushm4sta was voting for him too. Instead, kushm4sta changed his vote twice before I started posting evidence against batsnacks. Bandwagons run by evidence and reasoning make sense, since the town all has the same goals. The large amount of evidence presented against batsnacks is the reason behind this lynch, not just wanting to lynch batsnacks. | ||
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batsnacks
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