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LS, is that no-vote even allowed? Can we get a clarification from the hosts please? First no-votes were allowed on page 11 and then latest on page 15 they were not.
Newbie question - no-vote/sleep same as abstain right? If not how are they different?
On November 25 2014 13:03 Blazinghand wrote:
You are allowed to vote for a no-lynch.
On November 26 2014 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count
Oatsmaster (1): batsnacks
batsnacks (1): Oatsmaster
Dicksmash Mcironcock (1): kushm4sta
Not Voting (10): Half the Sky, Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, sicklucker, LightningStrike, Meatpudding, Damdred, Alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock
Currently, Oatsmaster is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Cheers.
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On November 27 2014 02:03 Half the Sky wrote:DSMI voters - I understand the policy vote arguments, and for the most part, I'm okay with that, because he and Alakaslam had about the same post count with minimal substance going into last night. I can accept that argument. The Day 1 argument, okay, I can also give someone that too...however... I'm looking at his post-page 18 activity and he has been putting out some substance though it could be supported better. He did have a bandwagon bats vote... ...but if you are looking to policy vote ANYONE at this point, you guys should be going after Alakaslam, not DSMI. After page 18, DSMI isn't a policy vote in my book. Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 01:35 kushm4sta wrote:
dicksmash lynch doubles as a plynch. so we will be in a good position even if he's town.
What do I mean? I mean that he is going to be a big unknown all game due to his lack of activity and not giving a fuck. Unlike someone like bats or oats, who can prove themselves town later in the game.
Fair point, but can you (or anyone) distinguish between him and Alakaslam?
The keyword is DOUBLES. As in he's a good scumlynch as well as plynch.
Alaka would be a better pure plynch sure, but Dicksmash has scummy content as well.
Dicksmash shows a need to survive. Earlier he came into the thread and tried to give some content.
On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him
## vote bats
This reasoning is generic bullshit.
He's voting batsnacks for
1 fluidity of reads - which is common d1
2 not posting reads or reasoning - which other people have been worse about, plus is not even really true
His batsnacks vote is bullshit.
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On November 27 2014 02:21 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 02:03 Half the Sky wrote:DSMI voters - I understand the policy vote arguments, and for the most part, I'm okay with that, because he and Alakaslam had about the same post count with minimal substance going into last night. I can accept that argument. The Day 1 argument, okay, I can also give someone that too...however... I'm looking at his post-page 18 activity and he has been putting out some substance though it could be supported better. He did have a bandwagon bats vote... ...but if you are looking to policy vote ANYONE at this point, you guys should be going after Alakaslam, not DSMI. After page 18, DSMI isn't a policy vote in my book. On November 27 2014 01:35 kushm4sta wrote:
dicksmash lynch doubles as a plynch. so we will be in a good position even if he's town.
What do I mean? I mean that he is going to be a big unknown all game due to his lack of activity and not giving a fuck. Unlike someone like bats or oats, who can prove themselves town later in the game.
Fair point, but can you (or anyone) distinguish between him and Alakaslam? The keyword is DOUBLES. As in he's a good scumlynch as well as plynch. Alaka would be a better pure plynch sure, but Dicksmash has scummy content as well. Dicksmash shows a need to survive. Earlier he came into the thread and tried to give some content. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him
## vote bats This reasoning is generic bullshit. He's voting batsnacks for 1 fluidity of reads - which is common d1 2 not posting reads or reasoning - which other people have been worse about, plus is not even really true His batsnacks vote is bullshit.
so your reason for voting me is a bad read?
look at his posts they don't say what he thinks! he facilitates discussion by asking questions but deliberately avoids injecting his thoughts into there or making a solid stance on anything.
and saying my vote is "a bandwagon" is even stupider i'm voting for who i think is mafia, others think he's mafia, it's the point of the game
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what's more bandwagony than "i'm sheeping kush because h'es town" ?
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On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop.
LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations.
Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day.
I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise.
##Unvote
##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock
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On November 27 2014 03:05 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop. LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations. Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day. I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise. ##Unvote
##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock
again, batsnacks is guilty of the same thing yet you've voted for me. you had me null a page agao, read through bat's filter it's mad scummy
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On November 25 2014 13:13 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster
step it up oats
On November 26 2014 12:57 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Dicksmash McIroncock
On November 27 2014 00:34 batsnacks wrote:
SL vote isn't happening meat.
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster
I don't think oats plays like this as town. That's probably my final vote today.
On November 27 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:
I'm sheeping kush because he's town and he's right
##unvote
##vote dicksmash
On November 27 2014 01:50 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote Trfel
Look, I changed my vote again. It's really easy.
here's every vote post he's made, no explanation of thought process in any of them except "oats isnt like this as scum". so tell me bats why vote me if oats is playing scummy?
also, spoiler alert, bats isnt going to switch his vote back to me so when i flip town he can conveniently forget he hopped on the wagon on me and start pointing fingers at my voters.
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Okay, so while deep-diving it was LightningStrike that kept pushing the no-lynch...all of the chatter is running together for me right now. I agree that Day 1 reads are next to useless. Think I've stated that in various ways multiple times. However...@LightningStrike
What use is it really to push off a Day 1 lynch? Are you hoping for a cop read? Or that the mafia will kill someone and it will just be a stunning Eureka-moment revelation? Like as not, we'll be just as in the dark Day 2 as Day 1. At least with a lynch we'll have more information to go off of. That with your few posts of nothing makes me itchy.
@meatpudding...your exchange with breske and reads over the last several hours have convinced me that the timing thing was genuinely coincidental. Your logic is pretty sound, too, though I don't agree with everything.
For example...sicklucker. Yes, he is failing as a townie with all the half-assed reads and pointless "traps", but as a Day 1 lynch, that's weak. Even the comment about not being able to make a read because of ongoing games, while a possible smokescreen, is more likely legit. It doesn't take much to come up with reasons to say you think someone is scum or not, even if they're bad ones. I'd wait and see on him, personally.
Still not happy with the bats/oats argument. If only because it hurt my head reading it and I want to hurt them back. Oats I'm reserving judgment on, however. The nitpicking might be his way of getting people to contradict themselves so he can feel them out, and he does keep trying to push the thread forward.
@bats...I don't like you. It's a gut thing, nothing specific, but the argument and anyone telling me my vote is a good one like I'm a dog waiting for a treat and the approbation of master makes me want to dropkick you. Particularly since you didn't bother to clarify why you thought it was a good call. However...I'm not inclined to go with gut calls. My guts like to be wrong too often.
So, bear with me, the ramble is almost done.
Alakaslam I didn't like the moment I saw his posting. Too much fluff and nonsense, I hate having to read people's posts three times just to interpret [I]what[I] they were saying, yet alone the intent behind it. He had one post of any real worth, as far as I can tell, essentially saying that ambiguity doesn't help town...somewhere sprinkled in all that Kenpachi random voting nonsense...and yet that is exactly what he was doing. Being ambiguous. No need to add that he's disappeared from the game ever since. But I'll do so anyway just to round out the reasoning behind the vote.
When scum reads are tentative at best and you don't have much solid to go on, I'm more than willing to get rid of someone who is useless anyway.
<b>##vote Alakaslam</b>
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##vote Alakaslam
Coding fail.
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On November 27 2014 03:25 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so while deep-diving it was LightningStrike that kept pushing the no-lynch...all of the chatter is running together for me right now. I agree that Day 1 reads are next to useless. Think I've stated that in various ways multiple times. However...@LightningStrike
What use is it really to push off a Day 1 lynch? Are you hoping for a cop read? Or that the mafia will kill someone and it will just be a stunning Eureka-moment revelation? Like as not, we'll be just as in the dark Day 2 as Day 1. At least with a lynch we'll have more information to go off of. That with your few posts of nothing makes me itchy.
To tell you the truth I don't want to lose a power role at Day 1 like my last game did and the game was lost because of it. I don't to have that mistake repeat itself and ruin our chances of winning that's why I asking for a Day 1 no lynch.
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While I can understand that LS, the odds are actually pretty low that something like that will happen. Also, the assumption that losing a power role on Day 1 automatically loses the game for town is inherently faulty; it just puts more pressure on town to make good reads and logic things out.
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On November 27 2014 03:35 rsoultin wrote:
While I can understand that LS, the odds are actually pretty low that something like that will happen. Also, the assumption that losing a power role on Day 1 automatically loses the game for town is inherently faulty; it just puts more pressure on town to make good reads and logic things out.
I guess it just from having a bad experience from my last game that is the reason I trying to be more conservative about the Day 1 lynching. On the case on Dicksmash seems to be legitimately good from reading the case posted by kush and kush seems to be doing good reads this game. I really like the case for Dicksmash today since you (rsoultin) convinced me that it's to low of a chance of lynching a power role which I was originally why I was scared to lynch Day 1.
##Unvote ##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock
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On November 26 2014 19:01 Breshke wrote:Hey meat pudding so i saw your stuff on the damdred/SL interaction but i see it differently from you. I think if damdred is mafia he doesnt single out SL in his initial post (not that he was talking about alignments but he still specifically mentions SL)Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 07:46 Damdred wrote:
The tryhards are out in their full glory besides SL.
Ignore me today while I find scum going to wreck them And then i don't think he goes on to question his scum partner so meticulously. This is just a gut feeling though like i don't think in this setup scum comes out and interacts that much with their partner when bussing is definitely an option for them. Although you can go down an entire meta hole of thats exactly why he would do it. Anyway are these two still your scum reads? What do you think of batsnacks and oatsmaster?
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Bats plz answer my question
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Half the Sky, to answer your question:
Voting is mandatory. However, voting for a sleep or a no-lynch (same thing) qualifies as a vote. Abstaining is not voting at all. This was clarified in the last game that several people (LightningStrike, Breshke, sicklucker, and some others) have referred to.
Lightning Strike, I can definitely see that you are afraid of lynching a blue role on day 1. And lynching a blue role on day 1 definitely isn't good. But I agree with rsoultin, waiting won't really help anything. It's the job of the players to show that they aren't mafia through solid logic and actively trying to participate, so that they don't end up being lynched.
Batsnacks' vote switching isn't inherently a problem. The problem arises when he makes an accusation and repeatedly defends it (without sound reasoning), and then switches his vote away from this accusation multiple times while still citing it as an example of him being useful. Plus, his sheeping of kushm4sta seems more to get the pressure off of himself than to actually lynch mafia.
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And everyone explain why you picked me over bats?
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votes in 2 hours and thirty minutes I think can we get a votecount? Catching up
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On November 27 2014 04:32 sicklucker wrote:
votes in 2 hours and thirty minutes I think can we get a votecount? Catching up
I want to say 5 for DSMI, 1 each for Alakaslam and Batsnacks, but I could be wrong.
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Er, 1 each for Alakaslam, Batsnacks and Trfel. Bats changed his vote excessively...
I'm going to check now, since I am probably going to bed right around the deadline time.
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Bats has been pretty similiar from his last game which is why Ive been ignoring him ill have another look. I dont like really either wagon right now
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