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On November 08 2014 12:38 plogamer wrote: What's with those pauses and that smirk while pausing from Innovation? I know Inno fans will give me shit for it, but don't tourneys have rules about pauses?
Tourneys also have rules about Blizzard not putting LAN into their games in 20-fucking-14, but what are you gonna do?
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On November 08 2014 12:40 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? People prefer to play Heroes of Newerth. haha
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On November 08 2014 12:39 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:33 stuchiu wrote:On November 08 2014 12:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: TvT is not necessarily amazing, but Mech vs Bio rarely disappoints in the hands of extremely good players. There is no inherent greatness in a matchup, its always up to the players. thats simply not true, because the mechanics of TvT and how the matchup works with positioning and so on are way more entertaining and komplex then 99% of the ZvZs where it is mass vs mass or in PvP... The constant back and forth, harassement, taking out bases, unit mix and so on. It is good to see terran back, it always was the most entertaining race to watch (and I say that as a random player)
TvT has the potential to be great more so than the other mirrors, but it also has the potential to be really shitty.
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I have a bag of motherfuckin gummy bears, bring on the games!
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On November 08 2014 12:40 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:39 Clonester wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? There are enough Dota Clones. yeah, IMO Overwatch will be more popular than HotS, less competition in class-based shooters. What else is there outside of TF2?
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your Country52796 Posts
On November 08 2014 12:40 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:39 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Shellshock wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Tobblish wrote:On November 08 2014 12:37 Shellshock wrote:On November 08 2014 12:37 TheDougler wrote:On November 08 2014 12:36 Shellshock wrote: did I miss a good game? I tabbed out for the heroes stream starting like 15 min in Link to Heroes stream plz? http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroes Literally killing eSports I have both streams open Then how did you not know if it was a good game? Checkmate cause I had the sc2 one muted and was looking at TL forums + heroes when I thought the game was going to end with Inno up 40 supply with air control turns out TaeJa is really freaking good
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Also I play Heroes and (mostly) enjoy it but have no interest in watching, dunno how common that is but I can't be the only one.
It's like the anti-SC2 for me.
On November 08 2014 12:41 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:40 Cheren wrote:On November 08 2014 12:39 Clonester wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? There are enough Dota Clones. yeah, IMO Overwatch will be more popular than HotS, less competition in class-based shooters. What else is there outside of TF2?
Dunno, the Battlefield and Battlefront series used to be more popular, but I think modern Battlefield is more like CoD than 1942/2 which were more "pure" class-based.
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On November 08 2014 12:40 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:39 Clonester wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? There are enough Dota Clones. yeah, IMO Overwatch will be more popular than HotS, less competition in class-based shooters. I feel like that game will be compared to TF2 like no tomorrow though.
Unless it's like Planetside/Battlefield and went in a completely different direction.
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On November 08 2014 12:39 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:33 stuchiu wrote:On November 08 2014 12:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: TvT is not necessarily amazing, but Mech vs Bio rarely disappoints in the hands of extremely good players. There is no inherent greatness in a matchup, its always up to the players. thats simply not true, because the mechanics of TvT and how the matchup works with positioning and so on are way more entertaining and komplex then 99% of the ZvZs where it is mass vs mass or in PvP... The constant back and forth, harassement, taking out bases, unit mix and so on. It is good to see terran back, it always was the most entertaining race to watch (and I say that as a random player)
Nah I think he's right, what he means -correct me if I'm wrong- is a great mu can be played horribly and it's down to the players to make for amazing games. Nevertheless some mus have inherent shittiness, like WoL PvP or current ZvZ, where it's near impossible to play a truly great game due to the way the mu works.
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United States97274 Posts
On November 08 2014 12:41 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:40 Shellshock wrote:On November 08 2014 12:39 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Shellshock wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Tobblish wrote:On November 08 2014 12:37 Shellshock wrote:On November 08 2014 12:37 TheDougler wrote:On November 08 2014 12:36 Shellshock wrote: did I miss a good game? I tabbed out for the heroes stream starting like 15 min in Link to Heroes stream plz? http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroes Literally killing eSports I have both streams open Then how did you not know if it was a good game? Checkmate cause I had the sc2 one muted and was looking at TL forums + heroes when I thought the game was going to end with Inno up 40 supply with air control turns out TaeJa is really freaking good not good enough. He lost
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ToD trying to pick some grills
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On November 08 2014 12:39 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? There are enough Dota Clones. fun fact: hearthstone had 100k viewers before the stream went down (the first time). now stable at 80k. go figure
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On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? It's closed alpha
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On November 08 2014 12:40 Makro wrote: taeja vs innovation is a final material anyway so no wonder we see such great games When it actually was a finals it kinda sucked tho.
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Why are they talking so much? Where are the games?
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INNOVATION IS THE NEW MVP.
I AM NOW AN INNOVATION FAN.
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stream needs more cosplay chicks imo
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 08 2014 12:39 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:33 stuchiu wrote:On November 08 2014 12:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: TvT is not necessarily amazing, but Mech vs Bio rarely disappoints in the hands of extremely good players. There is no inherent greatness in a matchup, its always up to the players. thats simply not true, because the mechanics of TvT and how the matchup works with positioning and so on are way more entertaining and komplex then 99% of the ZvZs where it is mass vs mass or in PvP... The constant back and forth, harassement, taking out bases, unit mix and so on. It is good to see terran back, it always was the most entertaining race to watch (and I say that as a random player)
That was more true of WoL TvT than HotS TvT. Now in HotS tvT, its dominated too much by mass medivac doom drops.
You still get great matches like inno vs Taeja, but not as often as I think it was in WoL.
But yea, not all matchups are created equal. PvP and ZvZ dont have as much dynamic about it as TvT.
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On November 08 2014 12:40 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:39 Clonester wrote:On November 08 2014 12:38 Musicus wrote: Why is Heroes not taking off? 10k viewers is kinda meh? Not enough players in the alpha? There are enough Dota Clones. yeah, IMO Overwatch will be more popular than HotS, less competition in class-based shooters. Overwatch will be a fun new IP to follow. On the surface it looks like a casual type of fun shooter like TF2 but TF2 had Steam, hats and trading.
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On November 08 2014 12:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2014 12:39 Rollora wrote:On November 08 2014 12:33 stuchiu wrote:On November 08 2014 12:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: TvT is not necessarily amazing, but Mech vs Bio rarely disappoints in the hands of extremely good players. There is no inherent greatness in a matchup, its always up to the players. thats simply not true, because the mechanics of TvT and how the matchup works with positioning and so on are way more entertaining and komplex then 99% of the ZvZs where it is mass vs mass or in PvP... The constant back and forth, harassement, taking out bases, unit mix and so on. It is good to see terran back, it always was the most entertaining race to watch (and I say that as a random player) TvT has the potential to be great more so than the other mirrors, but it also has the potential to be really shitty.
What MU doesn't have the potential to be really shitty? All of them do.
But TvZ probably has the lowest ratio of shit games, if I had to guess.
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