Speaking of this borderline clueless friend, I've been thinking of trying to get him to trade me Alfred Morris. His team is pretty decrepit top to bottom, so it may be easy to sway him, but I don't know if it will be worth trading for Morris, considering how he's played recently, and the way the offense is trending in D.C. I already have McCoy, the last thing I need is another back who gives me headaches each week...
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
Speaking of this borderline clueless friend, I've been thinking of trying to get him to trade me Alfred Morris. His team is pretty decrepit top to bottom, so it may be easy to sway him, but I don't know if it will be worth trading for Morris, considering how he's played recently, and the way the offense is trending in D.C. I already have McCoy, the last thing I need is another back who gives me headaches each week... | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On October 22 2014 15:35 LeeDawg wrote: I'm just happy to be at a point where in week 8 I don't feel the need to make too many waiver moves. Granted, my friend who dropped Cam Newton (for Kirk Cousins!) and the Cardinals D make that easier. Speaking of this borderline clueless friend, I've been thinking of trying to get him to trade me Alfred Morris. His team is pretty decrepit top to bottom, so it may be easy to sway him, but I don't know if it will be worth trading for Morris, considering how he's played recently, and the way the offense is trending in D.C. I already have McCoy, the last thing I need is another back who gives me headaches each week... Trade raping a friend who has no chance of going anywhere with his team is basically collusion. The rest of your league will shun you if you do this. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:07 c0ldfusion wrote: Trade raping a friend who has no chance of going anywhere with his team is basically collusion. The rest of your league will shun you if you do this. What? It's only collusion if he willingly agrees to help LeeDawg at something below market price. Stupidity does not equate to collusion. Rip him off, LeeDawg, rip him off. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:29 AgentW wrote: What? It's only collusion if he willingly agrees to help LeeDawg at something below market price. Stupidity does not equate to collusion. Rip him off, LeeDawg, rip him off. Whether the other party is willing or not is irrelevant. The result is the same. You're trying to gain an unfair advantage and reducing the level of competitiveness in the league. If you attempted that in my league, it'd get vetoed to oblivion and you'd be subsequently shunned. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On October 22 2014 22:39 c0ldfusion wrote: Whether the other party is willing or not is irrelevant. The result is the same. You're trying to gain an unfair advantage and reducing the level of competitiveness in the league. If you attempted that in my league, it'd get vetoed to oblivion and you'd be subsequently shunned. That's why the veto system is dumb. Just because one guy's a dope and is fleeced because of it isn't a valid reason to shoot down a trade. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On October 22 2014 23:09 AgentW wrote: That's why the veto system is dumb. Just because one guy's a dope and is fleeced because of it isn't a valid reason to shoot down a trade. On a related topic, it's no fun to play in a casual league anyway. It's pretty discouraging when I see people not trying in my leagues. We started adding punitive measures on teams that finish at the bottom in one league but I'm starting to think it's not enough. I may need to shuffle up membership next year. | ||
ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On October 22 2014 23:53 c0ldfusion wrote: On a related topic, it's no fun to play in a casual league anyway. It's pretty discouraging when I see people not trying in my leagues. We started adding punitive measures on teams that finish at the bottom in one league but I'm starting to think it's not enough. I may need to shuffle up membership next year. Punitive measures for finishing at the bottom? Doesn't someone have to finish at the bottom? If someone has checked out, I get not bringing them back for the next year, but that seems a little weird. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On October 22 2014 23:56 ZasZ. wrote: Punitive measures for finishing at the bottom? Doesn't someone have to finish at the bottom? If someone has checked out, I get not bringing them back for the next year, but that seems a little weird. Yeah, it's a good incentive to make sure guys still try even if they can't make the playoffs. (Also it's a good collusion prevention tool.) Otherwise, you're incentivized to abandon leagues where your teams are eliminated. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32009 Posts
On October 22 2014 21:07 c0ldfusion wrote: Trade raping a friend who has no chance of going anywhere with his team is basically collusion. The rest of your league will shun you if you do this. Trading with a bad team iSnt collusion nor is winning a trade. That's nonsense. As long as is it isn't an obvious case of a friend helping a friend by trading shit for studs it should fly. Also any decent league should have a rule that forbids trades with mathematically eliminated teams. Which isn't the same as trading with someone who sucks | ||
DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On October 23 2014 00:33 DannyJ wrote: If a trade isn't nonsenseically unbalanced or clear collusion, which is usually easy to see, trades should go through. I guess it might be harder if your league is filled with people who you don't really know or might have terrible FF IQ. Right and my argument is that in that latter scenario the intent is irrelevant. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32009 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 22 2014 22:39 c0ldfusion wrote: Whether the other party is willing or not is irrelevant. The result is the same. You're trying to gain an unfair advantage and reducing the level of competitiveness in the league. If you attempted that in my league, it'd get vetoed to oblivion and you'd be subsequently shunned. Your league still has vetos and therefore sucks. Collusion is about the process, not the outcome. Everyone should be encouraged to rip each other to shreds. This is goddamn 'Murka, not Soviet Finland. In all seriousness, it probably depends who you're playing with. I guess if it's strangers, you're more interested in efficiency/parity within the league and it makes sense to control things. If you're with friends, part of the fun is dicking each other over. Either way, I don't like a veto system and I think it encourages its own type of bad behavior. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On October 23 2014 01:19 QuanticHawk wrote: It would have to be something similar to getting megatron and giving deangello Williams for that kind of stupidity needing to be blocked. It would have to be way beyond a normal fleecing to deserve a veto I think it would have to be worse. I'm a proponent of "you can't ban stupidity" when vetoing trades. Megatron is hurt (I know it was just an example, but I'm running with it) and maybe the guy is super deep at WR and just really needs a RB. There's no such thing as winning or losing a trade; the only important thing is that your team improves. Just because a trade seems unfair in a non-existant vacuum doesn't mean that it's not helpful to both parties. On October 23 2014 02:28 Jibba wrote: Your league still has vetos and therefore sucks. Collusion is about the process, not the outcome. Everyone should be encouraged to rip each other to shreds. This is goddamn 'Murka, not Soviet Finland. y0su is gonna be mad. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
So in general I agree, let trades happen. We don't know the exact trade being proposed here by LeeDawg. And it might very well be fair enough to not be considered collusion. All I'm saying is, intent should be taken out of the equation. Extremely one-sided trades should not be allowed. Otherwise, it's fine. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On October 23 2014 05:28 c0ldfusion wrote: I think you guys think I'm taking a more extreme stance than I actually am. Believer or not when this actually comes up, I'm usually the guy who thinks the questionable trade should go through. So in general I agree, let trades happen. We don't know the exact trade being proposed here by LeeDawg. And it might very well be fair enough to not be considered collusion. All I'm saying is, intent should be taken out of the equation. Extremely one-sided trades should not be allowed. Otherwise, it's fine. This is the point I'm contesting. As long as a trade helps a team out overall, it's a fine deal, and that's not my position to judge as another owner. Heck, I should have made a deal with the fool in the first place in that instance. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
EDIT: That's not to say you have to invite the knucklehead back into the league next season. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Uh... Burkholder said Wednesday that he checked Charles after the hit and that the running back showed no signs of a concussion, although Charles said in an ESPN Radio interview Tuesday on The Dan Le Batard Show that he wasn't checked for a concussion Sunday. ... "It definitely hurt," Charles said. "A couple plays later, I just [saw] this light buzz around my eyes and I was trying to catch 'em. But I was like, 'Let's get the ball and run again.'" ... He went on to describe other symptoms that could be consistent with those of a concussion. He said he had flashbacks to scenes from his childhood. But he indicated he was never checked for a concussion because, he said, he didn't have one. Charles finished the game. ... "I didn't have a concussion," he said. "It was definitely a hit that shocked me. I didn't think I had to go through the concussion protocol and all that because I didn't want to go through that again. That's what happened in the playoffs. I was definitely fine. I think I came out pretty good. "I could definitely play through stuff like that. It wasn't a concussion. If it was a concussion, I wouldn't remember the plays or remember none of my teammates' names or remember what sideline to go to. I definitely remember everything. It was just a huge hit." So it was just a huge hit that caused childhood flashbacks and lights to whir around his vision, not a concussion. Nothing to worry about, guys! | ||
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