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On July 13 2014 06:59 TheSlenderMan wrote:
bunnies, where did you 'explain why slamroot is Town'? As for the CR/Koshi-case, no way I see a meta-case being stronger than slamroot's antics at this point. :D
Haru please (also) explain the questions I raised in my posts -- you can find them from my filter quite easily.
ok this is the money question, i was curious when someone was going to bring it up.
bunnies came into the thread proclaiming that sqrt/slam were town, but with zero reasoning to back it up, before going on to other ppl. v interesting. Says more than once that it's a mislynch with zero reasoning why actually.
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On July 13 2014 07:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 07:27 OnceKing wrote:
palmar please describe more in depth what you're saying about marvderg, and read nb's posts about chairman koshi/offer input on that
right now i have a few town reads i'm pretty confident in, slamroot i'm pretty sure is scum and only a few more holes to fill The marv/derg thing is basically a massive meta-thing with marv. As I explained I haven't read mderg. Basically, I townread marv by waiting for him to do something that is really smart. I think he even alluded to it this game, we basically confirm each other as town when he finds something that looks like mafia, and I confirm his suspicion and sheep his case. He hasn't done anything really smart this game or anything that makes me want to lynch him. That doesn't mean he is mafia. I know he is genuinely away today, so he has a perfectly valid excuse. Also his approach to interrogating me felt really fair, as in, he did not want me to look like mafia, he felt like he was simply trying to figure out if I was. I'll go find those posts by nb, and I also have to read the inactive teams (from what I have read). koshi/chairman, and rayn/slender. Might not do it this session though, no rush really.
The bolded in particular makes me feel quite a bit better about Plam in general. Mafia (even clever dudes like Plam) really struggle to think like this / look at things like this.
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On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote:3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please? marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts 
honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you.
Take it or leave it my friend ^^
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all caught up. kinda weird game. GK and sinani are being totally carried by their better halves.
Palmar (as per above) and Stratiform look ok to me (stratiform's reads post kinda had everywhere about where i'd expect, didn't seem fabricate-y).
Robik/Exo look ok I guess.
rayn/slendy, koshi/cr, bunnies/poof.
rayn/slendy look worse to me simply by virtue of the fact i'm going off haru/glowingbear, and if we take that out of their filter they've done next to nothing.
koshi especially will have all day 2 to look town, if he's town he'll be able to do it, if he's mafia he probably won't. sit and see.
bunnies is being dragged way down by poofter, who has little redeeming about his play. hate the lazy palmar/me comment that i pointed out. the points OK made about bunnies on the last page are pretty valid as well.
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Bunnies' play reminds an awful lot of my play in Detention mafia. I did also defend a pretty much certain to be lynched townie there for almost no reason, I also brought up how it was unlikely for him to flip scum there because there's no real defense. I then made a half assed case on someone else relatively short before the deadline. I feel like this is very similar to what bunnies did here.
link to my filter
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Haru please respond to my filter already! I realize that you already answered my issue with the 'free Town-pass' on Palmar, but the contradiction about you two discussing the Kenpachi-argument is still something I want to hear your own words on.
EoD1-Bunnies does fit the mold of 'the Scummiosi who knew a little too much', I'll have to agree. EoD1-Haru does as well -- if you look at his filter, you see that he starts off by agreeing that Slamroot is suspect and/or only helping the Scum win, and I don't see any real reasoning presented for that.
Somebody mentioned that Palmar was weird, but I don't actually agree. Him going "I love this case and I love Eden" -> "Meh not that surprising, really" is outspoken, and I don't see how a Scum-player could conceivably try to gain Town-credit like this.
Bunnies/poofter and Koshi/CR are definitely not knowingly co-aligned; I don't see Scum!Bunnies trying to gain Town-cred by proposing an alternate wagon that is her Scumbuddy.
Still like Chairman Ray as a Town-lean -- the exchange with Strat still seemed gewd on a reread. Has to post more, though.
@Koshi I'd like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads? Also you asked me to quote my case at one point -- I will get around to a TL;DR of my case once Haru's finally answered me about the Kenpachi-comments he made, so you will get that then (or when I get tired of waiting for an answer).
I remember a lot of FoSses (fingers of suspicion) wagged at marv and I don't really understand them -- I remember liking his posts. Didn't have time to ISO yet, though.
mderg also gets Townie-brownies for actually reading my post and overall, having a good transparent train of thought. Also had way more posts than I remembered him to have. Anyways, this slot can remain a Town-lean.
I've played one game with Robik before and his attitude here definitely is reminiscent of that earlier encounter. (He was Town.) He plays the meta-card way more often here, but probably because this game happens on his 'home field' and not in a group of Players who are mostly strangers. OTOH, VisceraEyes claimed that Robik's Scum-game wouldn't be different -- in this game, somebody (Haru, atleast) specifically said that Robik IS hella easy to read because of broken meta.
In retrospect ExO's filter is somewhat weird, though: #605 is him finding suspicious stuff about EVERYONE which seems like "shitflinging" (to quote someone earlier in this Thread). One of the null-reads he ends up with is the Team he has been most vocal about analyzing earlier on, aka bunnies/poofter. Hmmmm actually, #1091 is also weird -- namely because I realize that ExO never commented on sqrt (after sqrt started posting, that is) and he's only considering the Lynch in light of Slam's antics... IMO, sqrt's contradictions were definitely the more damning point of the case, so I find it interesting that ExO would only give the Slam-spam as reasoning for considering the Lynch. Especially since he says that he has caught up with the Thread. Annnnd #1091 DOES reek a lil like distancing-oneself-from-a-Mislynch-to-appear-better. All-in-all, ExO seems to end up surprisingly often sitting on the fence about the topics he discusses.
@Everyone -- any insight/summary on what to actually think about Robik's meta?
Didn't have time to go through Palmar/Strat and all of poofter/bunnies as I gottago for a while now but from what I remember I've seen Palmar/Strat both do Town-leaning stuff. I remember all-in-all not being worried about bunnies during D1 but finding poofter's threadpresence Sketchy.
In case it isn't obvious, btw, I consider OK and Eden Town-reads. (You may notice that I call 'strong' Town-reads 'Town-reads' and more or less weaker reads 'Town-leans'.) Their Hydras get free passes from me thanks to that. OK I will probably never ever want to tinfoil on, and I don't see any reasons to get paranoid about Eden either.
Alllllso rayn apparently STILL won't be able to get on today. Looks like I misunderstood what he told me yesterday. I summed up what happened EoD1 but I doubt he'll be able to catch up with the ENTIRE Thread once he finally gets home.
Anyways, you guys need to wait a bit more to be able to enjoy his Presence.
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On July 12 2014 14:57 TheSlenderMan wrote:
He's saying that they wanted to talk about the argument because it was being talked about. That's keeping up appearances.
Later Haru decides that they actually had the insanely Pro-Town aim of keeping a watch on the possibly Scum-influenced Kenpachi-argument.
Except that none of their posts actually imply such a motivation.
Instead of saying that they wanted to talk about the argument for the sake of it having been talked about, Haru could've said right from the get-go that they wanted to analyze the Kenpachi-argument because they thought it might be Scum-influenced.
Haru literally both says that he can't speak on Glow's behalf AND that he SHOULD speak on Glow's behalf since they had agreed together that the Kenpachi-argument could be Scum-influenced.
Child-ese enough? :D
Right.
I don't understand the problem with anything at all.
Both me and glowingbear think that this argument could be scum driven, but obvious we have neither any conclusive proof, nor any obvious reads to base off, so it is not important to tell you all our intents at all.
You also misread what I said. What I said is, I cannot speak on glowingbear's behalf for his intention, but I certainly can defend glowingbear on his intent for this kenpachi argument because we have the same thoughts.
Saying that we found scum from kenpachi argument is stupid because we got no conclusive evidence for anyone leaning scum for that. So its better to move on.
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Slendy,
There's one part of your post that bothers me, and that's the fact that you go on to analyze ExO's play for like 10 lines, and analyze mine for like 4, but you end up with a question about my meta instead of saying anything about ExO and drawing a conclusion about him.
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On July 13 2014 05:29 GlowingBear wrote:-> About my suspicions on ExO: As I said before, my preferred method of chasing scum is looking after passivity/overly friendly behavior, although not the only one (this is the last time I'm saying this, you all know it by now). So, what raised suspicions on ExO was this particular post: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:Some thoughts: Team D-I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too  . So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team WhineSlam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStradaI'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyerI always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic CarpetNot a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCornCompletely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch RocketNot a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRusSinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squaredmderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk So, basically, a huge post with tons of null reads and three town reads. This is, to me, being over friendly. Moreover, if you check his scum guesses, he thinks me and haru might be scums because we are not posting things with value. However, he is hesitating on us. Then, he thinks Palmar is scum for saying that we are scum for not posting anything of value. So, he is attacking Palmar for using the same logic as him. So, not a good post. This is what made him feel suspicious for me. ********* --> About my suspicions on Robik Alright, I felt Robik was suspicious because he said he wasn't going to post and then started to spam things, or that is what I felt. Something like these posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 12:29 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:22 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:07 OnceKing wrote:
so do you have an actual reason for not playing the game robik i must have missed it read the thread. not gonna answer this again cause i'm a lil whiney bitch On July 11 2014 12:21 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rob if you were mafia, what kind of post would you have made? Didn't think about that and didn't have to worry about it because when I opened my role pm I found out that I was town. On July 11 2014 16:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I am god-tier at reading Rayn. And on that note I'm going to bed On July 11 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote:
Man, if I was town jr and marv was my town sr, I would be so content right now. I literally would have 0 posts in the thread On July 11 2014 23:55 IAmRobik wrote:
I mean, my comment had nothing to do with the game or my reads. It was a random thought that came to my head. On July 12 2014 03:45 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 03:41 OnceKing wrote:
it was a hearthstone discussion
and no
but i dont think i joked around that much in my newbie as town either sooooooooooooo poor meta reads ftw? just looked into the first game. I was in it. I was town. You were medic. You didn't save me n1. Policy lynch: ##vote: oncekingworstmedicnaeuoceana http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=611&topic_id=461355On July 12 2014 01:40 IAmRobik wrote:Man this post is so fucking scummy, but this guy is town. Don't lynch him! Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:38 ExO_ wrote:On July 12 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
Can we lynch Robik for being a liar? Where did I lie? right at the start when you promised to barely post this game. (I don´t really want to lynch you for that, I´m just salty because of world cup mafia) Listen here I tried to save you in world cup remember! I was wrong on just about everything else, but I did try to save you with good logic! On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:Some thoughts: Team D-I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too . So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team WhineSlam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStradaI'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyerI always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic CarpetNot a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCornCompletely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch RocketNot a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRusSinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squaredmderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk These are quotes with Robik's sarcasm (which is really funny imo). But the thing is, looking out of context, it just seems that he wants to spam the thread. While re-reading his filters and trying to put those quotes on context, it looked like he was actually answering people. But... I don't know. Poor answers tbh. He insists to let ExO post more too much, also. And... why quoting his partner just to say "look ppl, this guy is town!". I just think that his spamming is not good, it looks suspicious to me because it just makes the thread difficult to read. Finally, I haven't seem a hard push coming from that team. That's what raised suspicions on him. But people who played with Robik before can say better if I'm being too hard on his playfulness. ********** --> About my suspicions on Eden Same as Robik. Funny but unhelpful in some posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 11:35 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:On July 11 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is.
ExO, the floor is yours! confirmed power role i will sheep you to victory robik lead me Gets on Banks case for PR hunting...goes on to PR hunt LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL i'm allowed to do that because i'm confirmed town On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter
because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter
because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now No, I want to move passed this. I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with. ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dp0Ng1guL._SY300_.jpg) On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:01 IAmRobik wrote:
OK and Eden have to stop harping on this "whatever" rule bullshit. It's really not progressing the thread anywhere and it's annoying to read over and over again go back to not posting On July 11 2014 12:04 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 12:02 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 11:58 Eden1892 wrote:
is D short for Dumb Shit That Doesn't Matter
because Team TheD isn't talking about anything else right now No, I want to move passed this. I think it is dumb and stupid. Whether it's kenpachi rule, or whatever the hell made up rule you came up with. That's some good seasoning. We use it in the South on just about everything. it is, i use it all the time very high salt content though, much like your post On July 11 2014 12:43 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I like this post. Townie points.
Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game?
Do you need to call a lawyer?
The"Double"D wow ok count 'em up there's #2 we goin to da top town ![[image loading]](http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif) On July 11 2014 14:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Boy it sure is boring being a Louisiana VOLTRON Mason with bunnies and OnceKing... On July 12 2014 06:57 Eden1892 wrote:![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140108021302/villains/images/2/27/Beetlejuice.jpg) Ok, I'll stop here because I've made my point. But that's not the only suspicious part. I find weird his strong push on poof based on a policy, while I think poof was being sarcastic regarding Eden's claim. But even if he thought poof was scum, I think he should reason it better. His explanation was late: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 11:56 Eden1892 wrote:
y'all are dumb as hell smh
no one is using the Kenpachi Rule
this is actually the Ihcapnek Rule, where someone is scum because they believe a VT claim too quickly, not because they cast doubt on the VT claim
this is much better than the Kenpachi Rule and you should all follow the Ihcapnek Rule and vote TheD Ok, so, if he thinks this policy is good, he should push hard on it, no? He didn't: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2014 14:59 Eden1892 wrote:
Sweet.
I didn't actually "get the feeling" blahblah at all, actually I was starting to back off my scumread of slot TheD and bunnies' recent posts have solidified that move.
We're not lynching bunnies today
##UNVOTE Team TheD
##VOTE Team FakeClaim
Why? Robik is on Team FakeClaim, and Robik claimed town. Therefore he is fake claiming and therefore he is scum. Checkmate Then, suddenly, Robik is town: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 06:38 Eden1892 wrote:
ok i'm on page 40
everybody shut the fuck up about robik he's town this is a waste
bunnies is not toxic to the thread, her questions might not always be going places and her spat with robik or whoever tf back in the 30s was silly but it doesn't matter because she is also town
we're lynching sqrt today, god bless america
someone read the post i highlighted in response to exo's reads and tell me how it isn't scum-motivated His scumreads flips too quickly, look what followed up: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 14:34 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread): - WeDemandALawyer - Magic Computer - GoodCopBadCop - M&M of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster
1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)
preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot
tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order That concludes what I found suspicious on Robik, ExO and Eden. I would like to see marv's opinion on this post. Waiting for it. [/i][/i][/i][/i]
ExO_: To me his list post was ExO trying to figure out the game. Which is a good thing. I didn't get the feeling he was playing nice with everybody, or on purpose being nice to everybody. I was pretty ok with it. Then after his listpost he was extremely confident against both Palmar & Marv. Wich indicates he felt strong about his reads. Also the joke with the bathwater is hilarious. Anyhoezles, Exo town.
Robik: I don't get what you are saying. Robik was going to spam but didn't, how is that scummy? Then his jokes were funny but also out of context? Meh. Not good stuff.
Eden: Not following a policy and going on with the game is always townie except when there is scum motivation behind not following the policy. Here it clearly wasn't. The following 2 votes are jkes. So sad you don't see the Robik vote is a 100% jokevote. So scummy that you then try to make his 'scumread" into 'townread" from Robik look scummy. Or the fact that he changed votes a lot? That's not scummy at all. Very bad stuff
Anyway, Eden/ExO_are my top towns. I even feel pretty good about them. The entire game already.
Glowingbear pretty scummy.
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On July 13 2014 06:19 OnceKing wrote:
slamroot is like almost 100% mafia
can you point out any meaningful content that either of them has said
the closest they come to it is spouting unjustified reads like "eden is mafia, exo is mafia" and they won't answer questions as to why. and yet even though they believe in an edenkarma/iamexo scumteam they don't think i'm town? there are too many inconsistencies.
in fact they have so many posts and yet have practically said nothing and just invite people into meaningless exchanges.
the only reason why people are scared to lynch them right now is because "ohhh well its slam so i dont think its that scummy" or "b-b-but people aren't defending them" -- stop that. if you're mafia with these guys the way they're acting do you actually think you can defend them? and slam has been acting scummy even compared to his usual standard as noted by robik earlier with meta references.
there's just no way they can be town with the whole "i give up, nobody listens to my scumreads even though i haven't justified them, this is a mislynch" stuff.
This guy is so town. Pretty sure scum can't type this on a misslynch. Or he is mafia jeebus.
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On July 14 2014 00:45 Stratiform wrote:
@Koshi, do you still scumread me?
Yesterday I wanted to switch of you to Alakaslamroot. I didn't see the vote thread and I didn't see CR already voted them. Back then I felt "meh" about you. I still do and haven't seen anything that confirms you town.
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On July 13 2014 07:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 06:59 OnceKing wrote:
frankly i don't buy either the defense of slam or the case on chairman koshi
bunnies did you do as koshi asked and examine the games in which he's town and replaced in? No, I suck at using the search bar to find things like that. I only know of games we were in together.
Witchcraft II
Survivor Series Mafia
It is always a pleasure to read more Koshi.
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On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it?
W0t?
On July 13 2014 07:09 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it? none as with every town lynch ever
this +1000
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On July 13 2014 07:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Alo, Eden and OKs meta read on each other is a bit weird, tho I could see why that read would be made.
But they could still be mafia together.
Also, where are their other halves?
(Not that I can say anything, my other half is... who knows.... Lol)
Robik's been pushing scum on me for poofter being afk, but doesn't even mention the fact that sinani and GK have barely posted a thing. JS
2 people call each other 100% town.
Bunny calls them both scum while agreeing that the reads make sense.
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On July 13 2014 07:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 07:09 Eden1892 wrote:On July 13 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, if Slamroot flips town, tell me, what information will we gain from it? none as with every town lynch ever Wrong. You can see who pushed hardest. You can see who defended hardest. You can also see who just sheeped. So much info gained.
Wait. Is it me or what the initial question not a trick question? It was like "amagad if Slamroot dies we have nothing at all"
And then Eden says 'nothing' which is correct. You can just trust their reads. That's all.
On which Bunnies replies with things that contradict her first statement that nothing can be learned from this lynch.
Eden town / OK town
ezpz
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On July 13 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
I feel pretty confident OK's/Eden's teams are town.
Everything nb says makes me want to lynch her, and the previous notion that Tehpoofter was actually playing has completely disappeared. I think their team has a good chance of flipping mafia.
Then there's the other slots. Robik is a bit of a dick as usual, such a shame because he usually has good reads, but because he doesn't get that half of mafia is convincing people, he's basically useless as town most games. ExO_ on the other hand really stood up to me when I was arguing with him, I'm not willing to give him a pass on it, but he just feels too wordy and shit to be mafia. I'm going to assume they're town,
Marv worries me a bit this game. I feel uneasy that he's in a decent position while having done very little, but I also know he's genuinely away, I think we let him slide today, and analyse tomorrow based on what we know. I haven't really looked into mderg's contributions.
Coming up, more stuff.
This is all so so true. SO TRUE.
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On July 13 2014 08:58 Palmar wrote:
Btw, if I self-meta my shitty town play, I reach the conclusion mafia teams must be
a) chairman ray/koshi
b) rayn/slender
why?
Because I haven't read shit from those teams as nothing they've said sounds important at all. I always ignore mafia because they never say anything fun, so if I am correct that I always ignore mafia, these teams must be mafia.
QED
get logickd.
all lies and slander.
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On July 13 2014 10:42 Stratiform wrote:
Okay here's how I feel about the respective groups, as not much else is going on right now:
Town:
Exo/Robik- I liked ExO's list post, but he hasn't been here much from then on. Although, Exo isn't really known to be super active D1. Robik is giving reads, and going with his gut. However incorrect his read on me is, I feel like that post is coming form town. He looks like he's targeting me because I've seemed cautious/fluffy, and as town, I'm sure he'd want to pressure someone who's acting oddly to step up and act town.
Sinani/OK- This is based purely on OnceKing's actions. He has a great thread presence and seems comfortable steering the town in the direction that he believes to be the best. He has diverse interactions, and seems like he wants to understand the motives of each person in this thread before deciding who is scum.
Goodkarma/Eden- Also based purely on Eden's actions. He found someone who he believed wholeheartedly to be bad for town, and is pushing his lynch with all his effort, WITH good arguments. What more could you ask for from a town.
Neutral:
Rayn/Slender- rayn I felt good about at first, but he sort of dropped out of the chat. Slender seemed like he was trying with his Haru case, but he kept pushing it when people pointed out flaws in his logic. I'm not sure what to think about this. Aside from that, there isn't a lot of substance to work with from this group.
Haru/GlowingBear- Haru still hasn't done anything to make me believe he is mafia or town, but he has done enough to make it known that he's pretty touchy when it comes to accusations against him. Glowingbear has seemed to fall into a habit of getting behind in the thread, making a massive post, and then getting behind again. He's trying, but he does not have a lot of presence. Null for now.
Marv/Mderg- Marv has been gone and mderg has some decent stuff tbh. I like his pressure on Eden, but it comes later once there is already a wagon. I considered making a "leaning town" section just for this group, but I felt that I didn't have enough of a town tell. I'm fine with letting this group by until day 2, and hopefully they can be put in my town list.
Leaning Mafia:
Koshi/CR- I made my point about them earlier on, and neither of them have really done anything to disprove me. CR is still barely here, and his only defense to Bunnies' case was "hm, interesting case." Then AFK. Koshi hasn't been necessarily scummy so far, but I can't give a neutral read because half of the team is acting bearable.
Slam/Sqrt- Looking at Slam's pots, he posts a lot of complaining and anger about reads on him without a lot of defense. sqrt-1 is not explaining his reads, even when prodded. On top of that, he blatantly gave up halfway through the day, thinking that the day was ending. Would town not pay attention to day end? Would town just concede on a mislynch without posting why, and then refuse to explain their reads? If you answered yes to either of those questions, then you're bad.
Poofter/Bunnies- Poofter has been away for most of the day, which as other people said, fits his scum meta. Bunnies is overreacting to pretty much every accusation thrown at her, whether the accuser was joking or not. I'm not getting a town vibe from these two.
wow. We have same feels. exact same feels.
We could be friends if you bump me up to just above rayn. Also the marv slot is higher than Haru. Unless they don't die.
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