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YKZ, thoughts on mderg please?
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Chezinu, operation Yes Sire Cave may need to be put on hold, as I believe a spy has infiltrated our ranks! Is this true?
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On June 19 2014 05:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:
You are an idiot or scum if you can't "see" the scum in mderg's first post. First off saying there is a chance you are only going to contribute one post to day one. This shows his terrible interest in this game. Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. Id rather him be modkilled than him help lynch someone because he felt a slight scum. You guys must have played so many games of mafia you cannot think logically. You have these rules that you hold so highly. Even if these rules were true you guys cannot even use them right. So assuming they are true they still are no use. And somebody mentioned something about release. If you can't see the scum in his post there is a problem or you are scum.
I cannot believe no one mentioned this aspect of this game. 27nb had the same principles in her posts from the start. Confused, emotional, silly. So has ykz. Cocky , deceiving, focused. We know 27nb was town. If ykz is mafia he is very good at it. Even after the proof that he was wrong or was lying. He perfectly continues his principals after the lynch. Release on the other hand had been inconsistent with his principals. He seems aggressive than passive.
Reactionary than static. I think it should be looked into. I won't be able to post or read until six hours from now. I will look at be (whoever name keeps getting mentioned).
Also koshi seems to be obsessed with me. I am thinking him as third mafia. The bolded is completely wrong, reread please. I also never intended to say that the one post could be my only contribution day 1. I wasn´t sure how much time I´d have the rest of the day but I knew that I could devote some time to this gam]e.
1st bold. weird how you say completely wrong. I could see how it could be partially wrong.
2nd bold. You never intended to say. What you said was ambiguous. You actually did not say it. This looks scum to me how about you mderg? Let me hear how it does not.
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On June 19 2014 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:
You are an idiot or scum if you can't "see" the scum in mderg's first post. First off saying there is a chance you are only going to contribute one post to day one. This shows his terrible interest in this game. Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. Id rather him be modkilled than him help lynch someone because he felt a slight scum. You guys must have played so many games of mafia you cannot think logically. I used to think like you. then a took a massive amounts of misslynches to my knee. Truth of the matter is as simple as bad play=/=scum play. You can point out a billion things that are bad for town. But unless you display how that play is a good play for scum, the play is not alignment indicative. A super easy example is lurking. Lurking is obviously bad for town. But a scum that lurks is also very likely to get noticed because of his lown number of posts. Thus its impossible to tell that someone is scum just by looking at their number of posts. Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:51 Snickers wrote:I cannot believe no one mentioned this aspect of this game. 27nb had the same principles in her posts from the start. Confused, emotional, silly. So has ykz. Cocky , deceiving, focused. We know 27nb was town. If ykz is mafia he is very good at it. Even after the proof that he was wrong or was lying. He perfectly continues his principals after the lynch. Release on the other hand had been inconsistent with his principals. He seems aggressive than passive.
Reactionary than static. I think it should be looked into. I won't be able to post or read until six hours from now. I will look at be (whoever name keeps getting mentioned). I still don't see it. Why is breaking against your principles a scum trait? If anyting, I'd say it displays a town mindset by being willing to change your standpoint and not being afraid of it.
already explained i was not saying that. We may have different definitions of bad play. I understand your point a lot better now though. (you may be right)
standpoint and principles. Principles are acting like yourself. When town or mafia you will act like yourself. But when pressured as scum i think town would still post the same while mafia will start to post differently. Your principles could change but standpoint be the same. Look at chezinu for an example of a principle. His first to not be in riddle was where he mentioned vigilante killing me (the first that i remember) he broke a principle in that he was not using riddles anymore. An example of standpoint changing while principles remaining. 27nb stayed with her same posting manner. Even after she switched her vote from YKZ to mderg.
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My stance still has not changed too much.
I still urge you guys to really thoroughly check out YKZ's filter and go through his posts and try to follow his logic. It does NOT make sense and you should be realizing this. I feel like this point is not being taken seriously enough. Really do this. I'm not kidding.
On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Mderg is just... Look through this part of his first post for example. On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:SNIP The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. SNIP ##vote 27ninjabunnies So his logic is something like this: 1. Since YKZ are battling each other they cannot both be scum. 2. And YKZ is probably town (for some really wierd reasoning). 3. Its possible that Bunnies is scum, points out several stuff that Bunnies that is alignment unindicative. 4. Dislikes that Bunnies says that Release is scummy but doesn't want him to be scum. This is like the only part that makes sense. Then he proceeds to vote him. This vote is so out of place that I cannot even describe it with words. Pointing out several things that he even himself says isn't alignment indicative is just unnecessary. Yes, he said he disliked one of Bunnies posts. But he also said that he disliked Snickers and Release posting. Why vote Bunnies? Because it was the current wagon? This shit just seem to careless to be scum. You don't see scum posting posts liek this because that's all scum care about, looking good. I'm calling bad town here. ##Unvote My logic was different. I never said that they cannot both be scum. I also didn´t point out several things out that were alignment unindicative, it was one point made by YKZ that I don´t think is actually scummy. The things I didn´t like about her were the focus on the "scumslip" by YKZ, the thing about Release and townreading Artanis. Clearly more things that I think are scummy than things not alignment indicative. The thing(s) I pointed out that weren´t alignment indicative were points brought up by YKZ which I didn´t really agree with. That´s the reason for bringing it up. I think you´re "defending" me for the wrong reasons. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:29 Snickers wrote:On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:I almost forgot about this due to the world cup  The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: " As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies."
And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow.##vote 27ninjabunnies Yea it seems really strange that you are only leaning towards somebody and you vote for them. Saying that you are not 100% sure you will return to the game to reevaluate the situation. It would be terrible for a town to vote for someone with only about half the information we have. Then say he may not change it until the lynch. So you were leaning towards bunnies but felt she was scum enough that if you did not make it to a computer she could be lynched because of this vote. ##Unvote
##Vote mdergI still think Release is scum but I am more confident that mderg is at this time. Also we have to consolidate our posts and i think it would be easier for people to see this slip. Also more people on mderg atm than release. I was pretty heavily leaning scum on bunnies, so voting her seems logical, doesn´t it? I was also pretty sure that I´d be here today, just not how much time I could invest. Your reasoning that she could be lynched because of this one vote is flawed. Even in the case that I could not get to a computer today placing the vote would have been the correct choice. Taking the risk that bunnies is potentially mislynched when I think she´s more likely scum than town is better than risk being modkilled.Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 18 2014 01:34 mderg wrote:
I generally don´t ask that many direct questions, I rather point things out that I find strange and most of the time people respond to these things. So it should have about the same effect as asking questions. Just scrolled through your Cell Mini (Town) and Detention (Mafia) games. You actually asked a lot more questions as mafia. Interesting. Carry on. EBWOP What do you take from this, though? Also, what the hell is it with Chezinu? He doesn´t even try to make sense.
Mderg's wording is bad. No Snickers, you are not completely wrong. In fact, "Then he tries to say he votes to prevent mod kill. " (-Snickers) is a completely accurate statement. However, it is not scummy since Mderg knows that he is town as much as anyone else knows they are town. Therefore, for him, having a modkill is 100% chance of bad, whereas a 27nb lynch, for him and I stress for him because you, snickers, seem not to understand, is less than 100% bad. It is consistent.
Mderg's "completely wrong" response is kind of illogical, but it feels like he is responding to the sentiment, not the literal candid meaning.
Before I focused on the Bandwagony nature of Snickers to put him on my scumlist, but you guys bring up a good point about the way in which his posts harp on specific phrases and sentences. The bandwagon nature is still something that should be review, and the motivation for his harping on specific phrases and sentences is probably to jump on a bandwagon later and cite them as original/self-motivated votes.
So snickers now takes a more serious position on my scumlist, but YKZ easily takes the top spot and I still definitely want to lynch him.
##Vote YKZ
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And above this post is release's beautiful post where he now goes from continuing ykz and 27nb's argument which led to people making so much scum out of nothing to this one to now bringing ykz lynch about. Now this whole day cycle we are going to be led into talking about ykz the whole time when we should not just focus on one person.
Also he defends mderg with this post and also talks about me being scum. How predictable.
I should have called this like i called what happened to 27nb. What happened to 27nb was a long process tho this was an instant. Also me posting a prediction of this would have altered this outcome.
And not release continuing his cycle of posts. One very serious one talking about scum then all of his shorts ones to me. Now back to these serious ones. With a vote attached as his first day post.
Release says to look through YKZ's filter. How about you write a case with the new information we have release. The only reason why release is saying vote ykz instead of me is because it will be a lot more easier to sway all of you into voting ykz. Also it will be easier to drag on the ykz stuff that costed us day one. I do not see how a town release would not be voting me.
And how the hell did no one even vote for me a single time the first day. It is because scum all agreed to not vote me or make a case for me. I do not think there even is one since no one has made one. There was no reason to throw me in day one since they had it won with just this ykz and 27nb rigmarole.
We should really improve are chances of winning by not focusing on one or two people and start looking at many.
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Hey guys,
I'm sorry for not spamming the thread enough. I have been pretty busy. The Sheriff wants me to spam the thread more, because I was violating his policy by not spamming enough. I am saying all this to say that I may or may not have been roleblocked.
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On June 18 2014 05:58 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 15:42 goodkarma wrote:
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And it's not like he's been eager to engage in conversation with you or investigate or get others to side with him. And yet he's just very much so convinced you're scum... When I present information, it now exists for town to discuss, and in my case against YKZ, it puts the onus on him to disprove my arguments. However, he has repeatedly chosen to dismiss my points and provide meaningless hypothetical defenses. This is why he seems so scum to me and remains scum more than anyone else. With regard to the Mderg situation: His first post is bad because of it vacillation but at least he takes a firm stance at the end (albeit for somewhat unclear reasons). He also accuses VE for a lack of specificity but does to a lesser extent the same thing with Artanis and SloOsh. And to a lesser extent than YKZ, he seems more focussed on himself than most others. To me he is one the the weaker candidates for mafia outside YKZ. @Lazer Someone whom I think is a stronger candidate for mafia outside YKZ is Snickers. At the beginning of the game, he casts suspsicion on 27nb following YKZ, supports the Kenpachi rule and encourages further discussion of it. Then he makes some slightly unclear buddy up to YKZ posts. Then he supports me, the he flipflops on me following a not so good case on me by artansis. He harps quite a bit on the "information" and blue talk even after I try multiple times to dissuade him from doing so. He even says "I am leaning pretty hard to vote for you. Especially when two people have posted how your post had such a great timing." And if that weren't enough, he hops straight onto the Mderg train. This is a little bit of bluehunting covered by a boatload of bandwagoning. His agenda feels like one in which he wants to blend into the town instead of making his own reads and arguments. At first, I pardoned him because he wasn't as stubborn as YKZ but this level of bandwagoning suggests to me that he is more likely scum than town. Artanis is on my suspicion list because he his reasoning against me been (I strongly believe) wrong, but he has been firm but not stubborn or inordinately foccused on one topic. His dismissal of YKZ vs 27nb is something that suggests he may be mafia with one of YKZ (my pick) or 27nb but that is a bit of a stretch atm.
I made a case for you, Snickers. Please read the thread.
Are you talking about new information in general, or new information about YKZ? If it's YKZ (or even you), I have not presented much new information because instead of refuting my points, YKZ and you continue to dismiss or ignore my points, indicating to me that you two cannot refute my points and are therefore scum. YKZ has made less of an effort than you to do so, so he gets my vote for today, until he does something to refute my points (as I said on Day 1, which he dismissed)..
VE's disgruntledness/lurkiness is bad but not even close to as bad as the way in which YKZ, in particular, and you try to mislead the town.
Koshi also deserves a special mention for his lackadaisicalness, but like VE, not as serious of an infringement as that of YKZ and you (Snickers).
Mderg would also get a mention, but I feel increasingly much that Snickers is trying to put him in the same position as 27nb on Day 1.
The rest seem to be presenting information and ideas well so I feel that they are towny.
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On June 19 2014 14:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:58 Release wrote:On June 17 2014 15:42 goodkarma wrote:
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And it's not like he's been eager to engage in conversation with you or investigate or get others to side with him. And yet he's just very much so convinced you're scum... When I present information, it now exists for town to discuss, and in my case against YKZ, it puts the onus on him to disprove my arguments. However, he has repeatedly chosen to dismiss my points and provide meaningless hypothetical defenses. This is why he seems so scum to me and remains scum more than anyone else. With regard to the Mderg situation: His first post is bad because of it vacillation but at least he takes a firm stance at the end (albeit for somewhat unclear reasons). He also accuses VE for a lack of specificity but does to a lesser extent the same thing with Artanis and SloOsh. And to a lesser extent than YKZ, he seems more focussed on himself than most others. To me he is one the the weaker candidates for mafia outside YKZ. @Lazer Someone whom I think is a stronger candidate for mafia outside YKZ is Snickers. At the beginning of the game, he casts suspsicion on 27nb following YKZ, supports the Kenpachi rule and encourages further discussion of it. Then he makes some slightly unclear buddy up to YKZ posts. Then he supports me, the he flipflops on me following a not so good case on me by artansis. He harps quite a bit on the "information" and blue talk even after I try multiple times to dissuade him from doing so. He even says "I am leaning pretty hard to vote for you. Especially when two people have posted how your post had such a great timing." And if that weren't enough, he hops straight onto the Mderg train. This is a little bit of bluehunting covered by a boatload of bandwagoning. His agenda feels like one in which he wants to blend into the town instead of making his own reads and arguments. At first, I pardoned him because he wasn't as stubborn as YKZ but this level of bandwagoning suggests to me that he is more likely scum than town. Artanis is on my suspicion list because he his reasoning against me been (I strongly believe) wrong, but he has been firm but not stubborn or inordinately foccused on one topic. His dismissal of YKZ vs 27nb is something that suggests he may be mafia with one of YKZ (my pick) or 27nb but that is a bit of a stretch atm. I made a case for you, Snickers. Please read the thread. Are you talking about new information in general, or new information about YKZ? If it's YKZ (or even you), I have not presented much new information because instead of refuting my points, YKZ and you continue to dismiss or ignore my points, indicating to me that you two cannot refute my points and are therefore scum. YKZ has made less of an effort than you to do so, so he gets my vote for today, until he does something to refute my points (as I said on Day 1, which he dismissed).. VE's disgruntledness/lurkiness is bad but not even close to as bad as the way in which YKZ, in particular, and you try to mislead the town. Koshi also deserves a special mention for his lackadaisicalness, but like VE, not as serious of an infringement as that of YKZ and you (Snickers). Mderg would also get a mention, but I feel increasingly much that Snickers is trying to put him in the same position as 27nb on Day 1. The rest seem to be presenting information and ideas well so I feel that they are towny.
at this point I see only lies in your posts. I will let the others decide.I really would encourage you to show me where your case is on me and where i dismiss or ignore your points.
Very funny how you now say these other names after i ridicule you on trying to focus on one. Too bad it is all lies.
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I quoted it for you and you still didn't read it.
"@Lazer
Someone whom I think is a stronger candidate for mafia outside YKZ is Snickers. At the beginning of the game, he casts suspsicion on 27nb following YKZ, supports the Kenpachi rule and encourages further discussion of it. Then he makes some slightly unclear buddy up to YKZ posts. Then he supports me, the he flipflops on me following a not so good case on me by artansis. He harps quite a bit on the "information" and blue talk even after I try multiple times to dissuade him from doing so. He even says "I am leaning pretty hard to vote for you. Especially when two people have posted how your post had such a great timing." And if that weren't enough, he hops straight onto the Mderg train. This is a little bit of bluehunting covered by a boatload of bandwagoning. His agenda feels like one in which he wants to blend into the town instead of making his own reads and arguments. At first, I pardoned him because he wasn't as stubborn as YKZ but this level of bandwagoning suggests to me that he is more likely scum than town."
On June 19 2014 14:26 Snickers wrote:
Very funny how you now say these other names after i ridicule you on trying to focus on one. Too bad it is all lies.
It sounded like you want opinions on everyone. Do you now not want me to give my opinions? Say one thing then imply the other so you can move either way in the future and not appear suspicious? Your comment is ridiculous and serves only to cause havoc. My focus on YKZ and you should already tell you that you two are significantly higher on my mafialist than others.+ Show Spoiler [in short] +He asks for something that might actually be useful, I provide it, he calls me mafia. Ridiculous
Regardless, my comments on the others only solidify the fact that I DO want to focus much more on YKZ and you than everyone else because they have not presented significant enough reason for me to think that they are likely mafia (unlike YKZ and you).
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Yes only focus on two people when three could be mafia. Yes lets focus on people since that worked out so well for you day one.
Also that was very predictable your comment in spoilers. Also you are doing the same back and fourth we had day one.
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On June 16 2014 17:12 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:26 Snickers wrote:
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.
Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.
My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.
It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.
Please comment on my thoughts First bold is incorrect. YKZ has been acted stubbornly incorrectly and has misrepresented information in a manner that implies that he is correct and 27nb is wrong (whereas the opposite is true). So you essentially have no reads? I doubt anyone has any solid reads except for/against 27nb and YKZ. Weird to include an entire paragraph about null. The above implies bad/useless town but the next paragraph changes my read completely (as it did for 27nb). Second bold: You would prefer that YKZ be town and therefore believe that 27nb is scum? The roles have already been determined. That is a complete lack of reasoning for wanting a lynch but still being swayed? That reeks of scum trying to jump on the bandwagon. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:32 Snickers wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at? On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.
I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.
What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay? What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute! BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player? Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME! And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game. See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum.I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally. I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage. Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole. That is a strange statement because asking for town to die to prove something is ridiculous, and is against our goal to kill mafia. However, the second part is correct. Why would you include the first part in this statement? Reeks of mafia. Also quick note on Scientific Method: Nothing can be proven correct, but 1 counterexample demonstrates a need to change the hypothesis. And from 27nb's perspective, I take a neutral stance on what she said. By the end of the game sounds like she was saying that she would be revealed as town when the game conclude, assuming that she would survive the entire game. As opposed to end of the day by getting a lynch of YKZ, but, at that point, not many people had taken a stance on the situation. It's passive but focussed on moving the game forward (as opposed to YKZ's comments which were designed to draw attention to himself and his survival). -----------------------Line for separation-------------------------- Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 13:49 Snickers wrote:
Good post release, I wanted to comment on some of your points.
1.I think it should be stated that 27nb mentioned VT in a post before her vote post.
2.Also this "limited information" we all have different levels of information. This is a semi open game so we know what roles are possible but not the quantity. I am assuming that we all could be goons and VT? but even if we were not, information is simply not on the level of scum or town. A PR has more information that a VT because he knows his respective role exists in the game. So i think generally information goes scum>PR>Vt.
Also this "limited information" does not seem like a slip. 27nb was just trying to get the game going and I think two of the people she mentioned did not post. Even now three people have not posted so I would say we all have limited information. On day 1, information :: Mafia > Town.
3.Your point on YKZ claiming he only slips as mafia while playing town. I think this is 10000x more worthy than the "limited information" post. Is YKZ's slip the "limited information" post? I still think this point is very important even though I do not think YKZ slipped with the kenpachi rule or the "limited information"
4. I do not think talk about blue would lead to mafia finding out the blue players. Although it seems bad to claim blue players day one right? If I was scum and said I was vigilante and there was actually someone vigilante, they would shoot me the first night. If I was VT and claimed vigilante, it would help lead scum to target a "less worthy player". But the risk seems to high for that tactic to be valuable. Also i used "less worthy player" because a smart VT would obviously be more worthy than an unintelligent vigilante that shot a PR.
5. Also that speculate post was really ambiguous and I think i may have caused that. I was not speculating that YKZ was a blue. I was trying to show a possibility that was being overlooked by a player. Then 27nb said "I wouldnt speculate" well is she telling me not to speculate or saying she would not personally speculate.
@1: That was a question, separate from her vote.@2: I'm pretty sure we don't use roles on "night 0." (check the Godfather role on the OP) @3: Not too sure what you're asking but I can clarify: "Limited information" indicates scum because on Day 1, no one has any information except for the mafia, so assuming that YKZ is town, he should have less than or equal information to everyone else. Clearly, "limited information" implies that he has more and therefore cannot be town. next point: The Kenpachi rule does not apply but he insisted repeatedly and incorrectly that it did apply, causing chaos in town and trying to lead a mislynch. @4: That sounds really scummy. On day 1, blues have no information more than town so we need to keep them alive. Talking about blues can only increase that chance that mafia corrects identifies blue so talking about blue on day 1 favors mafia. @5: "You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip." this is incorrect. 27nb who thinks YKZ is scum does not speculate whether YKZ is blue because 27nb believes that YKZ is red. YKZ presents information as though 27nb is speculating which is the complete opposite of what is actually happening. Read the second part closely. Speculation only occurs if town is the hypothesis, which is not the case, so again, YKZ makes an incorrect statement and misleads us. 27nb's statement is not a scum slip by any stretch of the imagination. See below: Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Snickers, you need to work a bit on your quoting, but not bad.
Just hit quote in the upper right corner of the post. It works better!
Also, pr means power role, so yes means same as blue.
I think coming out like that puts yourself in the spotlight.
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
OMG Bh<3
WTG buddy!
hahaha. im laughing my ass off right now.
So what I'm saying here is that I think you are scum, and I'm not removing my vote from you..
But in the offchance you are town- which I don't believe one bit- town shouldnt speculate this early in the game whether or not a person is blue or just vt. That gives tooooo much information for mafia. That's what I was saying in sayng we shouldnt speculate whether or not you are blue.
That was definitely not a slip, so stop trying to grasp at straws because I caught you d1. Overall, this sounds like a soft defense of YKZ, and such a defense is untenable.\ + Show Spoiler +and with that I am off to bed
And here is where Release's mistake is so obvious. He did not even know that 27nb posted twice about vt before voting. But he made a huge case on YKZ. and defended 27nb. How would a town not know such an important fact when you can go back and reread. Also when we were only a few posts into the game.
And then everything lines up perfectly with him being scum. I also find it odd that he did not consolidate his Vote. Everyone else did.
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Why I Believe Mderg Is Mafia
and Other Short Stories
The Post In Question
So my contention with mderg's original post still stands. Here are my expanded reasons for thinking his first post is mafia.
1) comes in and gives a weak reasoning for his vote - like, he thinks that her focus on the scumslip is somehow suspicious, but frankly I see way more town harping on about scumslips than mafia. Further, he doesn't even really state how anything else she does is suspcious - this is his only reasoning for finding bunnies suspicious (unless you count "between BH and bunnies, BH is more townie, ergo, bunnies is mafia"....I don't).
2) though he claims it was unintended, he DID leave the post with the feeling that he probably wouldn't be back. I mean, that's obviously subjective but when someone uses the phrase "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow" that leads me to believe that there's some doubt there (hence the hopefully part). This leads me to agree with GK's analysis (at the time - not sure where GK left off with mderg at the time of writing this) that he was scum hoping to be able to lurk out the rest of the day.
3) slOosh mentioned this earlier, but Artanis never really made a case on Release, but mderg likes his case on Release.
Further Evidence
I'm having a hard time following mderg's read on Snickers. Apparently earlier he thought Snickers' posting was free of mafia-mindset, which generally speaking is a town-lean or at the very least null, but now apparently Snickers is mderg's only mafia read (everyone else is null or leans town). Except for me I guess, but since this
On June 19 2014 04:44 mderg wrote:I´m not even remotely interested in talking about the life, the universe and everything with you. I don´t have any other clear scumreads but Snickers seems suspicious with how he asked these "newbie questions" but still knows his shit. he also focused on very small pieces of information and bad wording. Spoilered examples. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2014 12:44 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 12:32 Snickers wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at? On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.
I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.
What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay? What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute! BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player? Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME! And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game. See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum. I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally. I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage. Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole. I'm saying by the end of the game because I'm not getting lynched today! Straight up! And if I do, I'm going down swinging. And if that's the case, I will prove it's not 100% right as you say. And how am I thinking ina strange way? I've blatantly and straight forwardly laid out my case for you. I think you are thinking in a strange way because of my post you are responding to. I said that YKZ could be lynched and showed as scum. That would also prove the kenpachi rule as not 100% right. You responded to that and still did not understand that you could not be lynched and the rule could be shown as not 100% right at day one, not the end of the game. Also it think it is weird how confident you were with saying "Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME" but then you say by the end of the day. If i was being confident about proving someone wrong. I would have said, I could prove you wrong, even by day one with these one of these two lynches showing these respective outcomes, but will for sure prove you wrong by the end of the game. On June 16 2014 15:02 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt. On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ Kenpachi Rule ##vote 27ninjabunnies Kenpachi rule? So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie." The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule" It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum. On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt. On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ Kenpachi Rule ##vote 27ninjabunnies Kenpachi rule? The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game. Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is: Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player. The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere. These definitions don't exactly match up... You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum. But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule? I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so... I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule. the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm Also thought it should be pointed out that YKZ says the kenpachi rule "almost always" works and then says it "always works" without showing that his knowledge of the ruled changed between the posts.When we make posts we should try to stop assuming things. Thanks everybody for helping me with my posting and questions. On June 17 2014 16:07 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:I almost forgot about this due to the world cup The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow. ##vote 27ninjabunnies gk what is your read on mderg? I think its weird how he has only posted one thing. He sorta offers an excuse for that. The thing i find most weird is "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow". ..... I do not think somebody that is town would say hopefully i will post more after posting one post. Other than that I only have null and townreads.
comes AFTER this
On June 19 2014 04:14 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:31 Koshi wrote:I am going to sleep early. No Spain . Yesterday Belgium and I went to party and I cant sleep with alcohol in my blood. Then there was mafia and more soccer so it was 2 am before bed. Second time this week with sunday. Not enough passion! VE seems really scummy. At the start it seemed like he didn´t really care about this game with the BH vote. Then he points out something about Release which kinda suggests a scumread but then never mentions him again. He then calls sloosh scum and makes a case but kinda drops it instantly and instead votes me for imo weak reasons. He then stays on me without giving any additional reasons. This is very strange play, he´s kinda focusing on sloosh but doesn´t want to commit whereas he wrote like 2 lines about me but is heavily convinced that I´m scum. It´s like he just wanted to be on the safer and easier target.
I have to assume that something changed between them and that I'm now either null or town.
Speaking Of That VE Read...
I'll speak to this post now though. Everyone is entitled to just a little troll at the beginning if they want to partake. I thought BH was trolling into our game, so I trolled him back a bit for shits. He is ACTUALLY in the game though, so it was really just a bad joke made even worse by facts I wasn't aware of. Be that as it may, that doesn't mean I don't care about the game. I gave my thoughts on what was happening briefly and yes I AFK'd for a while. Deal wid it. I do that as town more than I do that as mafia these days. I mentioned something about Release because Artanis had made, by my estimation, a decent point on him. However, as I've explained (that he says I never mention him again is either a lie or evidence that mderg is not reading before he types, take your pick), I started townreading Release based on his response to Artanis and the content he provided AFTER Artanis' original point. He's also misrepresenting my stance on slOosh - it's true that I thought slOosh was mafia early on based on how he was questioning people. However I made it abundantly clear that I didn't "immediately" drop it, in fact I never /REALLY/ put it in the thread to begin with - I spoiled it because it was, in my opinion, a bad case without the points I felt made it the strongest, his read on Artanis.
Ready To Read BH Yet?
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread.
How About Dems Other Players?
Fuck it, they're all town because I think probably 2 mafia. Suck it noobs.
No really, I'll answer questions I guess about other players, but after reading Artanis I'm willing to give him at least today to prove he's townie if others are willing to go with me on PREFERABLY mderg, but possibly BH as well.
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Your further Evidence section is wrong. mderg says first "VE is really scummy" then he says "I have no other scumreads but snickers...".
VE do you think all scum voted for Ninjabunnies?
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I'm scumreading both BH and mderg. So yes. If there are 2 I think they did. If there are three, I'd have to consult my notes and confer with my townies.
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That's not even the point. My point was about his Snickers read and how I'm not sure how he gets from point A to point B. You're right though, I guess the "other" could mean that he's more suspicious of me and Snickers is the addition, I missed that I guess. But I still think he mafia regardless.
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That list is Snickers/Release/LM. Blah. I should really solidify my read on Snickers/LM this cycle.
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On June 19 2014 05:07 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 23:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh can you maybe give me your read on mderg? He was a counterwagon yesterday and all this VE talk is pretty fucking annoying considering you never really even considered lynching mderg. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:25 slOosh wrote:
I don't think mderg is a good lynch.
His posts are consistent, and his notice of how people are reacting to Release is something that I felt too. If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop. I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands. VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with.
slOosh I think that in general your description would accurately illustrate a likely strategy mafia could/would employ based on the information we have now. I think that your observation is fair that I fit this category on reflection, and regret my harsh words to the contrary.
I also realize that my scumread of BH does NOT fall in line with this line of thinking, so I ask how you're reading BH right now. Is it simply that you've constructed this likely scenario and that BH does not fit into it? If so I ask that you consider that BH is a crazy mofo and fucks up whatever plan you think you have about what mafia /could/ or /would/ do. If not I'd like to know your full reasoning for townreading/not suspecting BH.
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Where did mderg say snickers posted with a mafia free mindset? In his first porst mderg says he finds snickers posting "strangely".
On June 19 2014 21:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
That list is Snickers/Release/LM. Blah. I should really solidify my read on Snickers/LM this cycle.
LM is town in my opinion. He is constantly trying to move the thread forward. Look at his filter.
Snickers on the other hand. Look at the chain in the last post. It is literally wtf. The part about bunnies dismissing the Kenpachi rule (which is a lie, she has an entire post about it). But look how it progresses... In the end Snickers calls release scum because bunnies said VT twice instead of once...
Snickers, are you Steveling?
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