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On June 19 2014 04:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Huh, examples of Snicker knowing his shit?
I do agree with that he is focusing on very small things. But is that alignment indicative?
No examples for that, just a general impression. His general play doesn´t look like newbie play to me.
I think it´s more likely to come from scum since it gets suspicion on people without actually getting behind their play. It´s also relatively easy to find "scummy" things that way but I don´t think it really helps to figure out alignments.
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On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain.
This post here illustrates succinctly my thoughts on mderg's post. He made a comeback post with a half-baked excuse for why he was gone and placed a vote and said "MAYBE I'll be back" or "HOPEFULLY I'll be back" or whatever. It's textbook scum play man, fly under the radar, don't ruffle feathers, place a vote to not get modkilled and hope no one pays any attention to you. Obviously it didn't work because the post in question was fairly scummy by itself, but the way he reacted to the pressure when he got back is pretty telling imo.
Whatever happened to your Artanis read slOosh? Did you flip on him because he apparently flipped on me or something? What's going on there?
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On June 19 2014 05:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Huh, examples of Snicker knowing his shit?
I do agree with that he is focusing on very small things. But is that alignment indicative? No examples for that, just a general impression. His general play doesn´t look like newbie play to me. I think it´s more likely to come from scum since it gets suspicion on people without actually getting behind their play. It´s also relatively easy to find "scummy" things that way but I don´t think it really helps to figure out alignments.
Well I do think he looks like a newbie but w/e. That's not relevant.
I can see a scum motive, for sure. But this to me could just as well be a stubborn townie tunneling a guy.
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VE, explain why ýou didn't do shit yesterday to get your number one scum read lynched and instead made it possible for the player you thought was "supertown" to die?
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I did - I gave reasoning for thinking mderg was mafia and espoused a very clear townread of the counterwagon.
You can disagree with the degree, but the actions are here in this thread for all to see.
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Like this notion that my not being here somehow CAUSED town to mislynch is absurd.
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On June 19 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This post here illustrates succinctly my thoughts on mderg's post. He made a comeback post with a half-baked excuse for why he was gone and placed a vote and said "MAYBE I'll be back" or "HOPEFULLY I'll be back" or whatever. It's textbook scum play man, fly under the radar, don't ruffle feathers, place a vote to not get modkilled and hope no one pays any attention to you. Obviously it didn't work because the post in question was fairly scummy by itself, but the way he reacted to the pressure when he got back is pretty telling imo. Whatever happened to your Artanis read slOosh? Did you flip on him because he apparently flipped on me or something? What's going on there?
I'm townreading Artanis. My initial suspicions on him stemmed from my strong town read on Release but his reaction to my case, his backing off of Release and his general followup during D1 seemed quite reasonable.
What is your interpretation of D1 and where do you think scum are?
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On June 19 2014 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I did - I gave reasoning for thinking mderg was mafia and espoused a very clear townread of the counterwagon.
You can disagree with the degree, but the actions are here in this thread for all to see. I know you gave reasoning. But when the day was about to end these are your post nothing about Bunnies. In fact, the only time you mention Bunnies is super early in the game, the post where you call him supertown.
At the time of your last post before lynch it was obvious that Bunnies was a strong candidate for the lynch. Yet you do nothing to make people change their minds about her.
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Well, going to bed now.
I'm probably going to be less active the comming 2-3 days. But for now
VE and Koshi are my top scum reads. I'm giving Koshi a minor benefit of the doubt because he entered the game yesterday.
I think Snickers is a confused townie. I could be wrong about this but since I feel that there is a certain possibility that he will get lynched tomorrow and I urge everyone to question what his motives really are.
Mderg I'm uncertain on. Leaning confused town here as well.
Slightly suspicious of YKZ.
Slightly suspicious of Chezinu.
Artanis and goodkarma seems quite townie.
SlOosh and Release I am pretty certain are town.
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I'm here if anyone wants to ask me any questions before nighttime ends.
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On June 19 2014 06:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm here if anyone wants to ask me any questions before nighttime ends.
Do you agree with my interpretation of how D1 played out or do you have a different opinion?
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I still think mderg is town, so yeah, I don't think scum was at risk of getting lynched. I don't know if they were necessarily laid back or afk during the vote though.
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On June 19 2014 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I still think mderg is town, so yeah, I don't think scum was at risk of getting lynched. I don't know if they were necessarily laid back or afk during the vote though.
True, I'm just of the thought that since scum wasn't really at too much risk of getting lynched all day, that in general during the day, scum would have a propensity to play laid back, since they don't really care.
I didn't feel any active manipulation too much, so I suspect to find them in the "casual observer" section, so to speak.
(I'm trying to practice what Ver does in his analysis and so I ask).
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*I'm referring to the whole day, not just the last hours of the lynch.
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You can tell Chezinu is town when he's actually giving reads and enjoying himself, as opposed to being withdrawn. Most of what he says is noise, but how he says it-- that's the signal.
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Day 2
It was eerily quiet during the night. People were trying to have quick naps to offset the stress. It was late into the night when a crow cawed. Many people were woken up by the strange noise of a bird well regarded as Devil's eyes on Earth. People were very slowly gathering at the Village Hall in the morning.
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goodkarma the Vanilla Townie was found dead. His eyes and mouth were full of terror. He was lying on his back under the blanket. Smell of sulfur was noticeable.
You have 48 hours to decide who gets lynched.
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Goddamnit, there goes my strongest townread 
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So BH, how do you read Chezinu right now?
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