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On June 15 2014 10:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 09:51 Rainbows wrote:On June 15 2014 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
1. KotC is not new. He plays on OMGUS a lot.
2. I think Haru is town. saying "ill drop it if you do" is not something scum is likely to do, because they want it to seem like there is real conviction behind their reads. So, then, Haru has no real conviction behind his read on me. Yet is willing to get lynched so people will lynch me the following day? ehhhh he probably reads you less scummy now than when he said to lynch you after him. plus you aren't a legit lynch candidate. So he probably means "ok ill stop talking about this bullshit if rainbow stops talking about it."
This. It takes a real town to get mad and push so hard. That's why I lowered my tone and was kinda happy during the push. I could feeeel your dedication. Now its still there. Good job, call me mafia all you want. I don't care anymore.
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On June 15 2014 13:42 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta you still didn't explain your case to me it's hard to read it because ugly
When did you ask?
You're a law guy, I am sure out of everyone you ar the most qualified to dsisect it.
~moc
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On June 15 2014 12:46 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 06:55 Rainbows wrote:Hey guys, I'm back. I was about to go examine some other people to hopefully get the tunnel vision off, but then I saw Haru posted this reply: On June 15 2014 04:18 HaruRH wrote:
LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real....
So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too. SCUM! Haru only wants to let go if I don't threaten to lynch him. This is NOT TOWNIE. Haru is too concerned with self-preservation. He is attempting to bargain with me so that he can live. "As long as you don't call me scum and try to lynch me, I'll do the same". His scumread on me is not predicated on thinking I'm mafia -- if it were, he would not care if I am simultaneously pressuring him. If he wanted to let go, he would just let go. He is mafia that doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore. SHINE SHINE MUTHAFUCKA I am not your buddy Haru. You may be sexy and attractive but you are not my friend, pal. SCUM. DIE. EVERYBODY VOTE HARU. HE IS MAFIA. +1 to this btw, I misread Haru's post the first time as "I want to see if rainbows is willing to go", like they were going to have a big showdown or something. Backing off, but only if Rainbows does, makes it seem like his case was only meant to deter Rainbows from attacking him. It's especially weird after he's made a big show of how convinced he is on Rainbows.
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On June 14 2014 17:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 17:24 roundabound wrote:Gum Dat feeling when u realise kp ain't submitted, ey  ~moc tl:dr your ket case because your tl:dr preceded a giant wall of semi unreadable text
Just sum it up I'm pretty hungover.
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Well I will see you all later I guess
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On June 15 2014 13:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 17:29 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2014 17:24 roundabound wrote:Gum Dat feeling when u realise kp ain't submitted, ey ~moc tl:dr your ket case because your tl:dr preceded a giant wall of semi unreadable text Just sum it up I'm pretty hungover.
Ermmm
It has a Tldr at the start.
I dunno what mire u want
~moc
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On June 15 2014 14:19 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 13:54 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2014 17:29 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2014 17:24 roundabound wrote:Gum Dat feeling when u realise kp ain't submitted, ey ~moc tl:dr your ket case because your tl:dr preceded a giant wall of semi unreadable text Just sum it up I'm pretty hungover. Ermmm It has a Tldr at the start. I dunno what mire u want ~moc
Ok i read it all properly and i don't really like much of it at all, you've seemingly misconstrued everything he's said in a mafia orientated way.
The only part i do like is the end where he doesn't mention snb post lynch after voting him.
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On June 15 2014 14:30 roundabound wrote:
Vote me then
~moc
lol wtf
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How the fuck do i turn mobile mode back on... There used to be a button and now it's gone
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On June 15 2014 14:38 Holyflare wrote:
How the fuck do i turn mobile mode back on... There used to be a button and now it's gone
Right at the bottom, turn mobile enhanced mode on
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U have accused me of making a case in a mafia oriented way
Put ya money where ya mouth is
O/w you are all talk, in a mafia oriented way.
~moc
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On June 15 2014 14:38 Holyflare wrote:
How the fuck do i turn mobile mode back on... There used to be a button and now it's gone
Close all tabs in your mobile browser, shut down the browser. Open it back up, bottom of the main page teamliquid.net
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On June 15 2014 03:45 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 18:08 ExO_ wrote:I've taken the time to go back over the end of the day 1 voting, looking for things that might stick out. I think Alakaslam still might be mafia, but I'm not as convinced as I first was when I was reading on my phone. He might just be a spammy bastard. But I think Chromatically is mafia. At June 12 2014 13:31 Chrom votes ritoky. At this point the train on KotC is in full swing, and he's up to 9 votes. It's looking like he's going to be lynched. 2 Hours prior however, the vote count was only at 4 for KotC. So a lot of votes moved all at once. 1 hour later at June 12 2014 14:31 Chrom hops on the train. What's interesting is Chrom's posts in this one hour block. Before I get to the hour block, lets take a look at some of Chrom's earlier posts. His first vote on Sinani is preceded by this: On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 It almost seems like a sarcastic joke to me at first, to vote Sinani for such an arbitrary reason. Going from page 1-2 of his filter though, he continues to push Sinani pretty hard. Koshi notices this, and calls him Chrom out on it. Chrom clams up after this, asking Yamato for a read on himself. To me this seems like a concerned mafia. The real gold comes after that though: On June 11 2014 10:19 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 10:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 10:03 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me  . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. Wow. Your scumread on me is not even a scumread. You listed a bunch of things I did that you didn't like or disagreed with. What you did not do is explain how they make me scum. You "didn't like my entrance"- how does that make me scum? You actually say that you disagree with my scumread- how does that make me scum? Even when you're talking about how you disagree with my scumread, you don't quote the case and look at what parts of it you think could come from scum, you just mention why you disagree with some parts of it. And then you basically make up the part where I was "asking everyone to sheep me", because I was making a deliberate point of not doing that (I asked marv because I wanted his opinion, but I'm not going around asking people to start a wagon). I don't see at all how your points lead you to think I'm scum. What do you think of Koshi's alignment? Is he making this post as a villager or a wolf? I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation). The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself. So explanation. Sound familiar? It seems to me he did to Sinani exactly what he said Koshi was doing to him. After this going from page 2-3 on his filter, he continues to freak out at Koshi a bit. Just like with Yamato, he asks Koshi about Koshi's read on himself. To me, it looks like Chrom is very worried about what everyone thinks about him. Regarding Koshi, he even goes on to say: On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you. He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth, saying that he's town. The banter with Koshi goes on for a little bit, and he starts asking for reads on Koshi. At the bottom of page 3 of his filter he says: On June 12 2014 09:28 Chromatically wrote:
I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread. Followed by: On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.
What he posts next is the important part. This part isn't super relevant to my case, but I'm pointing it out here in case my case turns out to be correct. Ketomai has been suspected quite a bit, and here Chrom isn't exactly defending him but he is lightly trying to divert attention off of Ketomai. He's not joining any trains of thought against Keto though. Right before the "magic hour" I referred to earlier, we see Chrom trying to divert away from cats with: On June 13 2014 03:05 Chromatically wrote:
Can't we just lynch ritoky? and On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote:
The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday. That's just about all he had to say about cats, sorta in what I would call a "yeah yeah, but!" fashion. He doesn't want to say the case against cats is bad, but he doesn't want to encourage it either, and I think this post is a great way to try to push another case while acknowledging the cats case as little as possible. So we finally get to this hour. I understand at this point the voting is nearing its end. But chrom posts 12 times, his biggest concentration of posts yet. I won't quote all 12 posts, you can eaisly find them on his filter and they're going to clog this already clogged post. From 13:31 to 14:11 he was heavily pushing ritoky, I think in a desperate attempt to get the focus off king and onto somebody else. He gave it one last effort here: On June 13 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
It's not even worth it for me to push for ritoky if people don't want to go for it but I just think the case is watertight. But after this point I think he and the mafia saw the writing on the wall. So after 14:11 it's damage control mode. On June 13 2014 04:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 13 2014 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
chrom your ritoky case applies to half the people in the game, why is ritoky pushing on you and sometimes mz different from kotc pushing on batsnacks for the worst reasons known to man? why you push yours over sheep? why you want to be so speshul? It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything. I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote. I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does. On June 13 2014 04:28 Chromatically wrote:
case on Cats >>> case on Kush
Kush is like a 100% coinflip, he's just one of the people not playing. On June 13 2014 04:31 Chromatically wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening.
I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today. I think after 14:11, Chrom accepted that he was going to lose a teammate and decided that transitioning to the KotC wagon was his best move to stay alive. He never really says why he agrees with the KotC case, or anything about it really. Not even in the same ballpark as how much he said about Ritoky. Based on what I've presented here, I think we should lynch Chrom next. I'm not 100% sure, but short of being the seer I don't think there is a 100% sure in this game. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking mafia would switch an obvious mafia vote once it was determined it was unavoidable that mafia would die. But I think I'd try to do something similar if I was mafia, especially on the day 1 lynch. So that's my piece, let me know what you think. I think if you read chrom's filter since the lynching, he's pretty obviously trying to divert people from suspecting him. But for a townie, he sure is thinking an awful lot like a mafia. ##Vote Chromatically I don't really want to go through everything in this post because most of it is non-alignment indicative and/or I've already talked about it (my push on sinani, why I asked for Koshi's read on me, how I felt about Cats). If you have specific points that you want me to address, tell me. I think you're stretching a bit with your part about the lynch, though. You can certainly make the argument that my actions around the lynch were scum-motivated (although not if ritoky flips mafia as well), but it's not as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. When I posted my case on ritoky, Cats had 9 votes and ritoky had 0. If I was scum, it would already BE "damage control mode"; the chances of swinging the lynch onto ritoky were minimal, especially as no one else had been really pushing ritoky all day. All it would accomplish is looking weird after the flip (yes, this is kind of WIFOM, but I think that's "wine that's harder to drink", so to speak). It seems to me like you're inventing a storyline to fit your conception when you add things like "Chrom clams up after this", "He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth", and talking about preflip associations.
I think you're downplaying the seriousness of your push to try and make a mockery of a very solid case. I think my case against you alone is still strong, but I think the push you made on me late in the day that exo pointed out and I noticed as well is even more damning.
There was a guy with 8 votes on him a decent bit out from the deadline, and he wasn't just some mafia dude; it was a lynch that if it passed would reduce KP. If I was mafia, I would put in at least some effort to try and save KP. So in my opinion there had to be some wagon or some push that was made by mafia against someone to try and save the KP. My question to you chrom is, where was it? Was it the snb wagon etc.? My follow-up will be, why the hell aren't you pushing on those people then?
Personally, I think that you and maybe Haru are the ones that tried to organize and make a push to save KP against someone you thought was low hanging fruit and could push with a crappy case. It didn't work out and you tried to run away and gain back town cred without anyone noticing what you did. I just don't see the mafia (even if it is day 1) letting KP reduction happen significant contest, and I think you were the one who tried to push it moreso than anyone on the snb train.
voting on chrom, everyone else should too
I said I would come back with a read on banks in a bit, and I will deliver. It is entirely a meta read so take it with a grain of salt if you don't like meta reads. In the previous 2 games I have played with him he has come out as super town the first day phase both games and very easily lands in most people in the thread's top 2-3 town list. Then during day 2 he pretty much disappears. He goes from pushy, full of questions, and with substantive reads to pretty much not that. The most important thing imo though is that during day 2 of these 2 games he's been mafia in a row (and a lot of his video mafia) he does 1 big thing on day 2 as mafia: he doesn't push lynch targets and instead defers to others to find primary lynch targets. I think he is doing that again today. On top of that I have a tiny thing I have noticed from watching some of his video mafia and being in a couple forum games that he does on day 2, it has been 100% accurate of him being mafia in 2 forums games and its about 70% accurate of him being mafia when he does it in the video games I have seen. And he just did it recently. I think he could very likely be mafia here, but I would never push him over chrom who is obviously mafia at this point.
Regarding Haru, I think he came out the worse of the exchange with rainbows, especially that "I'll drop it if you drop it" comment. If you think he is scum then no you shouldn't drop it. He could very likely be a scum buddy with chrom, as they did go together in on the wagon on me that exo pointed out.
Also I saw some votes on sandroba? Is that supposed to be policy lynch? Cuz I don't know why you would waste those votes, the guy is damn near being modkilled from inactivity at this point. His filter isn't even on the 2nd page.
I also really want ticatica to get active as he is one of my strongest town reads from a few things, but mostly this post:
On June 13 2014 03:31 TicaTica wrote:
I'm not sold on the King lynch but it's far from awful. I'll consolidate on it if needed versus say SnB. But I'm pretty sure Marv will get his way regardless so I'll do what I want.
This is after he votes on ketomai. I think this post is 100% unnecessary if you are mafia. There's about 10 votes on the guy, he is obviously going down; so if he was mafia I feel like he would just take the free town cred like chrom did. I really want him to get more involved in the game.
Plus he voted for ketomai who I wouldn't exactly be opposed to lynching. Ketomai voted on snb over KoC for not a particularly good reason. I didn't like his read on koshi, sinani, or exo when he gave them. If there's a world where the mafia were on the snb train to try and save KP instead of the whole chrom push thing, then this guy is probably one of them. Although I think chrom is more surefired mafia.
tl;dr - just vote chrom
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On June 15 2014 14:44 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 03:45 Chromatically wrote:On June 14 2014 18:08 ExO_ wrote:I've taken the time to go back over the end of the day 1 voting, looking for things that might stick out. I think Alakaslam still might be mafia, but I'm not as convinced as I first was when I was reading on my phone. He might just be a spammy bastard. But I think Chromatically is mafia. At June 12 2014 13:31 Chrom votes ritoky. At this point the train on KotC is in full swing, and he's up to 9 votes. It's looking like he's going to be lynched. 2 Hours prior however, the vote count was only at 4 for KotC. So a lot of votes moved all at once. 1 hour later at June 12 2014 14:31 Chrom hops on the train. What's interesting is Chrom's posts in this one hour block. Before I get to the hour block, lets take a look at some of Chrom's earlier posts. His first vote on Sinani is preceded by this: On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 It almost seems like a sarcastic joke to me at first, to vote Sinani for such an arbitrary reason. Going from page 1-2 of his filter though, he continues to push Sinani pretty hard. Koshi notices this, and calls him Chrom out on it. Chrom clams up after this, asking Yamato for a read on himself. To me this seems like a concerned mafia. The real gold comes after that though: On June 11 2014 10:19 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 10:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 10:03 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
fuck i got town again. Gonna have to CC you hear I also rolled town. hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help : Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote:First scumread for me: roundabound Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote:
Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. : Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote:Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. : Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! This post is Howling like a boss. Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote:This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:On June 11 2014 05:30 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't get my role yet. Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote : Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote:
Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 : Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote:
Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT? Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? I think it's kinda scummy. I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. Wow. Your scumread on me is not even a scumread. You listed a bunch of things I did that you didn't like or disagreed with. What you did not do is explain how they make me scum. You "didn't like my entrance"- how does that make me scum? You actually say that you disagree with my scumread- how does that make me scum? Even when you're talking about how you disagree with my scumread, you don't quote the case and look at what parts of it you think could come from scum, you just mention why you disagree with some parts of it. And then you basically make up the part where I was "asking everyone to sheep me", because I was making a deliberate point of not doing that (I asked marv because I wanted his opinion, but I'm not going around asking people to start a wagon). I don't see at all how your points lead you to think I'm scum. What do you think of Koshi's alignment? Is he making this post as a villager or a wolf? I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation). The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself. So explanation. Sound familiar? It seems to me he did to Sinani exactly what he said Koshi was doing to him. After this going from page 2-3 on his filter, he continues to freak out at Koshi a bit. Just like with Yamato, he asks Koshi about Koshi's read on himself. To me, it looks like Chrom is very worried about what everyone thinks about him. Regarding Koshi, he even goes on to say: On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you. He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth, saying that he's town. The banter with Koshi goes on for a little bit, and he starts asking for reads on Koshi. At the bottom of page 3 of his filter he says: On June 12 2014 09:28 Chromatically wrote:
I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread. Followed by: On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.
What he posts next is the important part. This part isn't super relevant to my case, but I'm pointing it out here in case my case turns out to be correct. Ketomai has been suspected quite a bit, and here Chrom isn't exactly defending him but he is lightly trying to divert attention off of Ketomai. He's not joining any trains of thought against Keto though. Right before the "magic hour" I referred to earlier, we see Chrom trying to divert away from cats with: On June 13 2014 03:05 Chromatically wrote:
Can't we just lynch ritoky? and On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote:
The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday. That's just about all he had to say about cats, sorta in what I would call a "yeah yeah, but!" fashion. He doesn't want to say the case against cats is bad, but he doesn't want to encourage it either, and I think this post is a great way to try to push another case while acknowledging the cats case as little as possible. So we finally get to this hour. I understand at this point the voting is nearing its end. But chrom posts 12 times, his biggest concentration of posts yet. I won't quote all 12 posts, you can eaisly find them on his filter and they're going to clog this already clogged post. From 13:31 to 14:11 he was heavily pushing ritoky, I think in a desperate attempt to get the focus off king and onto somebody else. He gave it one last effort here: On June 13 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
It's not even worth it for me to push for ritoky if people don't want to go for it but I just think the case is watertight. But after this point I think he and the mafia saw the writing on the wall. So after 14:11 it's damage control mode. On June 13 2014 04:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 13 2014 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
chrom your ritoky case applies to half the people in the game, why is ritoky pushing on you and sometimes mz different from kotc pushing on batsnacks for the worst reasons known to man? why you push yours over sheep? why you want to be so speshul? It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything. I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote. I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does. On June 13 2014 04:28 Chromatically wrote:
case on Cats >>> case on Kush
Kush is like a 100% coinflip, he's just one of the people not playing. On June 13 2014 04:31 Chromatically wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening.
I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today. I think after 14:11, Chrom accepted that he was going to lose a teammate and decided that transitioning to the KotC wagon was his best move to stay alive. He never really says why he agrees with the KotC case, or anything about it really. Not even in the same ballpark as how much he said about Ritoky. Based on what I've presented here, I think we should lynch Chrom next. I'm not 100% sure, but short of being the seer I don't think there is a 100% sure in this game. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking mafia would switch an obvious mafia vote once it was determined it was unavoidable that mafia would die. But I think I'd try to do something similar if I was mafia, especially on the day 1 lynch. So that's my piece, let me know what you think. I think if you read chrom's filter since the lynching, he's pretty obviously trying to divert people from suspecting him. But for a townie, he sure is thinking an awful lot like a mafia. ##Vote Chromatically I don't really want to go through everything in this post because most of it is non-alignment indicative and/or I've already talked about it (my push on sinani, why I asked for Koshi's read on me, how I felt about Cats). If you have specific points that you want me to address, tell me. I think you're stretching a bit with your part about the lynch, though. You can certainly make the argument that my actions around the lynch were scum-motivated (although not if ritoky flips mafia as well), but it's not as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. When I posted my case on ritoky, Cats had 9 votes and ritoky had 0. If I was scum, it would already BE "damage control mode"; the chances of swinging the lynch onto ritoky were minimal, especially as no one else had been really pushing ritoky all day. All it would accomplish is looking weird after the flip (yes, this is kind of WIFOM, but I think that's "wine that's harder to drink", so to speak). It seems to me like you're inventing a storyline to fit your conception when you add things like "Chrom clams up after this", "He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth", and talking about preflip associations. I think you're downplaying the seriousness of your push to try and make a mockery of a very solid case. I think my case against you alone is still strong, but I think the push you made on me late in the day that exo pointed out and I noticed as well is even more damning. There was a guy with 8 votes on him a decent bit out from the deadline, and he wasn't just some mafia dude; it was a lynch that if it passed would reduce KP. If I was mafia, I would put in at least some effort to try and save KP. So in my opinion there had to be some wagon or some push that was made by mafia against someone to try and save the KP. My question to you chrom is, where was it? Was it the snb wagon etc.? My follow-up will be, why the hell aren't you pushing on those people then? Personally, I think that you and maybe Haru are the ones that tried to organize and make a push to save KP against someone you thought was low hanging fruit and could push with a crappy case. It didn't work out and you tried to run away and gain back town cred without anyone noticing what you did. I just don't see the mafia (even if it is day 1) letting KP reduction happen significant contest, and I think you were the one who tried to push it moreso than anyone on the snb train. voting on chrom, everyone else should tooI said I would come back with a read on banks in a bit, and I will deliver. It is entirely a meta read so take it with a grain of salt if you don't like meta reads. In the previous 2 games I have played with him he has come out as super town the first day phase both games and very easily lands in most people in the thread's top 2-3 town list. Then during day 2 he pretty much disappears. He goes from pushy, full of questions, and with substantive reads to pretty much not that. The most important thing imo though is that during day 2 of these 2 games he's been mafia in a row (and a lot of his video mafia) he does 1 big thing on day 2 as mafia: he doesn't push lynch targets and instead defers to others to find primary lynch targets. I think he is doing that again today. On top of that I have a tiny thing I have noticed from watching some of his video mafia and being in a couple forum games that he does on day 2, it has been 100% accurate of him being mafia in 2 forums games and its about 70% accurate of him being mafia when he does it in the video games I have seen. And he just did it recently. I think he could very likely be mafia here, but I would never push him over chrom who is obviously mafia at this point. Regarding Haru, I think he came out the worse of the exchange with rainbows, especially that "I'll drop it if you drop it" comment. If you think he is scum then no you shouldn't drop it. He could very likely be a scum buddy with chrom, as they did go together in on the wagon on me that exo pointed out. Also I saw some votes on sandroba? Is that supposed to be policy lynch? Cuz I don't know why you would waste those votes, the guy is damn near being modkilled from inactivity at this point. His filter isn't even on the 2nd page. I also really want ticatica to get active as he is one of my strongest town reads from a few things, but mostly this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 03:31 TicaTica wrote:
I'm not sold on the King lynch but it's far from awful. I'll consolidate on it if needed versus say SnB. But I'm pretty sure Marv will get his way regardless so I'll do what I want. This is after he votes on ketomai. I think this post is 100% unnecessary if you are mafia. There's about 10 votes on the guy, he is obviously going down; so if he was mafia I feel like he would just take the free town cred like chrom did. I really want him to get more involved in the game. Plus he voted for ketomai who I wouldn't exactly be opposed to lynching. Ketomai voted on snb over KoC for not a particularly good reason. I didn't like his read on koshi, sinani, or exo when he gave them. If there's a world where the mafia were on the snb train to try and save KP instead of the whole chrom push thing, then this guy is probably one of them. Although I think chrom is more surefired mafia. tl;dr - just vote chrom
??? How am I involved in the chrom push? It simply doesn't make sense for all mafia to pile onto someone else, hoping for the kotc wagon to break up. If you read correctly, you would know that the reaspn why I refused to jump onto the kotc wagon but was ok with the other wagons and especially chrom's wagon was because I don't want to be involved with marv, who pissed me off at that time. Also, I had a strong townread on chrom that time, so it was natural that I'll sheep chrom over anyone else.
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On June 15 2014 14:42 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 14:38 Holyflare wrote:
How the fuck do i turn mobile mode back on... There used to be a button and now it's gone Close all tabs in your mobile browser, shut down the browser. Open it back up, bottom of the main page teamliquid.net
I've done all that (
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On June 15 2014 12:46 Holyflare wrote:
Also would be inclined to add poofter to the not like list because of his super lackluster day 2
RUDE! I didn't work day before and I play like 80% of the game while at work.
I'm making a post while playing video mafia atm.
How bad ass was my day 1 though hf? Like top village?
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On June 15 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 12:42 Chromatically wrote:On June 15 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
hey amiko, lets play rock paper scissors.
since noone else can be assed to play the game. I'll play rock paper scissors! You go first. i actually have no idea how we would go about doing this. lets pick a time that we both post at and we see who wins?
PM mod he announces winner....
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On June 15 2014 15:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 15 2014 12:42 Chromatically wrote:On June 15 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
hey amiko, lets play rock paper scissors.
since noone else can be assed to play the game. I'll play rock paper scissors! You go first. i actually have no idea how we would go about doing this. lets pick a time that we both post at and we see who wins? PM mod he announces winner....
already handled. it was a tie.
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