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On June 13 2014 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
your defense on batsnacks is that he wouldnt have done anything as such as mafia in the RVS when it's random, like you're saying... no.
that's what kingofthecats was attacking him for, and that's what you're attacking kingofthecats for, so, yes, it does have something to do with the rvs
Good. I'm glad you're done talking to me. You're not nearly as intelligent as I had thought in previous games. Your tendency to dip into ad hom, and berate me, is both appalling and shocking. Whatever.
I also felt like it is ridiculous such a weak case would bring upon so many votes. I guess people just want to lynch the new guy in comparison to StrongandBig who called all of you idiots after the game started, as opposed to before, like kingofthecats did.
if we voted people who called us idiots we would always lynch marv and ace and palmar day 1
instead we make them our chiefs
im just preparing for my day of rulerdom
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chortle
anyway i'm out until 20-30 mins before lynch
kotc - yay!
s&b - kinda nay!
ketomai - possiblay!
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hmm if Palmar is ok going with Marv leading this game I'll relent and just consolidate
I'm a meta player and I can't get much meta out of KotC
##Vote: KotC
good riddance
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On June 13 2014 02:55 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
your defense on batsnacks is that he wouldnt have done anything as such as mafia in the RVS when it's random, like you're saying... no.
that's what kingofthecats was attacking him for, and that's what you're attacking kingofthecats for, so, yes, it does have something to do with the rvs
Good. I'm glad you're done talking to me. You're not nearly as intelligent as I had thought in previous games. Your tendency to dip into ad hom, and berate me, is both appalling and shocking. Whatever.
I also felt like it is ridiculous such a weak case would bring upon so many votes. I guess people just want to lynch the new guy in comparison to StrongandBig who called all of you idiots after the game started, as opposed to before, like kingofthecats did. if we voted people who called us idiots we would always lynch marv and ace and palmar day 1 instead we make them our chiefs im just preparing for my day of rulerdom
yeah ive been made chief before it happens+ Show Spoiler +
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BM if you don't like KotC, go have a look at ketomai and see what you think. gl.
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I like KotC. He committed a JEEP tell and he was doctor fishing
SnB has been looking more and more town to me
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like, i have 2-3 good points on KotC + you are the tunnel master ,so I can't even read what your points are, inside your head, on that. fuck it, bro.
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Can't we just lynch ritoky?
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The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday.
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Vote Count - Day 1:
Palmar (0): batsnacks
yamato77 (0): Palmar
roundabound (1): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomai
sinani206 (0): Chromatically, Tehpoofter
Koshi (2): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206
TicaTica (0): Koshi
ExO_ (1): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta
HolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, Palmar
Bill Murray (0): roundabound
ketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, roundabound
batsnacks (0): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, Alakaslam
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshi
tehpoofter (0): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority
strongandbig (5): Bill Murray, Palmar, Rainbows, Chairman Ray, ketomai, Alakaslam, HaruRH, Koshi
Chairman Ray (1): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_
Marvellosity (0): Tehpoofter
VayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh
Chromatically (1): ritoky
ritoky (0): ketomai
kushm4sta (3): ObiWanShinobi, HolyFlare, TheKingOfTheCats, ExO_
justanothertownie (0): Koshi, Palmar
ObiWanShinobi (1): TicaTica
TheKingOfTheCats (8): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray
Not voting (1): Erandorr
Currently TheKingOfTheCats is set to be lynched with 8 votes! Day will end in
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I trust marv for today. Cats doesn't seem to be defending himself, either.
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
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i dont like how were set on this lynch and everyone seems to be totally okay with it.
snb and king are probably both town, this is kinda gross.
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Oh, God, Erandorr was the guy posting in mafia L when I was the sheriff that wasn't even IN THE GAME
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every game im seeing erandorr post in im playing extremely well when im not town... like the kaller game where i got the joy of skyping with liquid`sheth for days... that dirty zerg
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the thing is, he's posting in these game, but he's not actually in them!
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ritoky's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?user=ritoky
ritoky has talked about literally nothing else other than me (and occasionally MZ), which is absolutely ridiculous from a town perspective because I was never, in any world, getting lynched today. Every single one of his posts has to do with me. He doesn't give reads on lynch targets or people being discussed in the thread, he posts solely about me.
Scum motivation: look like you're active and pushing a case, don't have to think about who you're voting until you "consolidate" at deadline, only have to maintain one read
Town motivation: ???
You'll also notice that he never even pushes my case. He never tries to get other people to vote for me. As town, you would always try to get your one and only scumread lynched. As scum, you don't care, as long as you look active.
Relatedly, he is only here when someone calls him out. Seriously. Look at his entire filter. It's either arguing with me, or arguing with marv. He always responds quickly when someone does call him out, but he never posts anything of his own accord. This is a 100% scum tactic. He's active lurking in the thread but doing nothing. He doesn't actually want to push the thread forward, he just cares about defending himself.
His reasoning on me doesn't make sense (as I've said), because he doesn't actually believe it. What probably happened is that he saw Koshi's case on me and thought that I would be a good target to sheep onto, and then directly copied Koshi's reasoning from his case (explaining why his reasons are the same as Koshi's AND why he can't explain the TMI thing).
On June 12 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 10:01 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 09:49 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 09:35 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 09:22 ritoky wrote:On June 12 2014 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
ritoky is a great second lynch if Koshi isn't happening. I like marv's point too.
I think I would go for a megalurker/someone who's not playing the game lynch after that. OMGUS, the scum hunting mindset you been talking about? Look, if you don't think that calling someone mafia for simply defending sianni (tiatica) qualifies you as having a strong read on sianni, then it is a difference of definitions. I think the proof is easily read in your filter. How is it a difference of definitions if I'm scum? Wouldn't it be me purposefully misrepresenting my play? Because I feel that the case I have already made follows very easily if you view what you gave as a strong read. I think you did. I can say it again, but it isn't going to change. I think you gave a disproportionately strong read on sianni from a pretty inconclusive response (I thought it was slightly scummy at best). In order to make said conclusion from not very much I feel you have extra information. The only people with extra information right now are mafia. Since then you've done nothing to alleviate my worries about you, you've been hard defending and OMGUSing (which is completely contrary to the scum hunting mindset you were critical of sianni for). And how is this not the exact same thing that you were critical of sianni for? On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.
What he posts next is the important part. On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. You just did the same exact non-committal thing. "Could be red, wait and see what happens"; that's not the scum hunting mindset you were preaching. Once again, your extra information thing doesn't make sense. The only way I would have extra information about sinani that would give me a "too strong" read would be if we were scum together. The difference between what I posted and what sinani posted is that ketomai has probably not started playing the game yet, making trying to read him rather pointless. sinani's read on JAT is completely noncommittal and overqualified, which you and many others have agreed on. Comparing what we posted doesn't say anything about my alignment anyway (at best it would make me a hypocrite), so there was really no reason at all for you to include this. You can call it OMGUS if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make the points against you less strong. Anyway, I think this conversation is no longer useful at all and that I've made my case sufficiently clear. Your read is exactly the same as the bolded portion. And hypocrisy and inconsistency can be scum mindset indicators, so I think they are relevant. And personally I don't think you have a case, hence why I think it is an OMGUS. You're defensive and OMGUSing which is the opposite of the mindset you were pushing others to have. All of that just adds depth.
When I point out here that his hypocrisy reasons don't make me scum, he says that they can be "scum mindset indicators" which is vague garbage. He can't explain why hypocrisy would make me scum because he can't, it doesn't. He's not actually thinking about if I'm scum, he's looking for things to justify his read.
- does not do anything other than argue with/about me
- active lurking until people call him out
- doesn't actually push me for lynch
- reasoning doesn't make sense
This is like 100% scum.
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oh, wait, he was in the kaller game. he just died early. nevermind.
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I'm not sold on the King lynch but it's far from awful. I'll consolidate on it if needed versus say SnB. But I'm pretty sure Marv will get his way regardless so I'll do what I want.
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