Mind just played extremely well.
The Bisu lovers are just saying he played bad, but he got beaten mind (no pun intended) wise.

First Game - Bisu went for a triple expo (?) because he thought Mind would turtle up.
Mind ran over Bisu with a timing push.

Second Game - No Comment

Third Game - Double Nexus was a risk Bisu was willing to take. Mind went 2 fac with his sense.

Fourth Game - Yeh.

TheFoReveRwaR

United States10657 Posts

November 18 2007 00:24 GMT

Adding in Hts with zealots is not a bad idea at all. The reason bisu choose not to I imagine is simply because he didnt have a whole lot of gas and it would've been difficult for him to stop his HTs from being picked off in that situation. Other than that point, I mainly agree. Bisu did NOT play bad. It's like this whenever a new player comes onto the scene unless they are good looking. Its pathetic how vain TL is regarding bw players honestly. A non good looking player will get no credit for their skill. For example, darkelf is actually a very strong solid T user now and people still talk about him like hes a complete newb and an auto win simply because he has no charisma. Same applied/applies to Mind. Mind might be plain, but he is very good. Comparable to goodfriend, but far better. He has brilliant macro/game management style play. The hardest play style to beat.

relaxxl

Japan78 Posts

November 18 2007 00:24 GMT

Still kinda spoiling; change to: [MSL Spoiler] Loser's Play

P.S. Why arent the VOD's up yet?

TheFoReveRwaR

United States10657 Posts

November 18 2007 00:26 GMT

No...not at all. How would someone learn anything about the series from the words "Bisu's Play"? It gives nothing away.

relaxxl

Japan78 Posts

November 18 2007 00:27 GMT

"Bisu's play" looks and sounds weak.

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

November 18 2007 00:28 GMT

#10

Bisu didn't play poorly, but many of his decisions were 'umBisu-like'; he tried to force actions against the game's momentum many times, like breaking pushes when he knows he would suffer too many losses.

Yaqoob

Canada3314 Posts

November 18 2007 00:31 GMT

#11

I think game 4 was Bisu's favor till he suicided like 20 zeals + 8 goons into Minds nat for like no reason and hardly killed anything with them

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

November 18 2007 00:32 GMT

#12

Yes, Bisu played bad

Game 1 his attacks on Mind's units were very poorly executed, and taking that gas third instead of the island knowing a timing attack was coming was a greivous error.

Game 2, whatever. Bisu proxied because he has a history of losing on Blue Storm. No big deal.

Game 3, wow. The attack on Mind's nat was such a poor decision. Without that huge loss of units, he probably could have gotten himself at least even, what with Mind taking his third instead of immediately attacking. More horrible push attack execution.

Game 4, Bisu obviously thought Mind was going to do something stupid with marines, but he guessed wrong, and Mind was very far ahead from his conservative macro build. However, there was a point where BIsu had reduced Mind to one mining base, and had a group of dragoons as well as his seven carriers. Unfortunately, Mind's units approached Bisu's goons, and instead of bringing the carriers back and killing Mind's attack (which would have sealed the game in Bisu's favor), he chose to kill an armory and let all of his dragoons melt under tank fire. Poor choice!

Mad props to Mind for going from the first qualification round to winning the final, beating oov and savior and such to get there, but yes Bisu played very bad. He lost the series more than Mind won it, despite Mind's solid builds and good execution.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

November 18 2007 00:34 GMT

#13

The problem is, when a Terran wins at a high level of play, oftentimes its not so impressive. The Protoss has to make some big errors for a Terran to take the games on these maps, and that's precisely what happened. Mind rose to the occasion and he was mechanically very sound, so don't mistake the critiques on Bisu's sub-par play as a replacement for praise on Mind.

Obviously the thing that surprises most is what gets talked about, and Bisu playing poorly is much more surprising than a mechanically solid Terran capitalizing on it.

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 18 2007 00:40 GMT

#14

FakeSteve pretty much summed up my exact thoughts about Bisu's play.

I also think Mind played spectacularly well. No single mistake, except in game 2. Various, well-executed builds, excellent timing/execution, and flawless macro. He deserves it well.

SonuvBob

Aiur21548 Posts

November 18 2007 00:58 GMT

#15

On November 18 2007 09:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
However, there was a point where BIsu had reduced Mind to one mining base, and had a group of dragoons as well as his seven carriers. Unfortunately, Mind's units approached Bisu's goons, and instead of bringing the carriers back and killing Mind's attack (which would have sealed the game in Bisu's favor), he chose to kill an armory and let all of his dragoons melt under tank fire. Poor choice!

This pissed me off so much, horrible decision by Bisu. It also led to his carriers getting torn up by cloaked wraiths since his obs was w/his army (Mind did a good job of raping observers that game though).

Wasabi

United States3085 Posts

November 18 2007 01:12 GMT

#16

--- Nuked ---

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

November 18 2007 01:20 GMT

#17

Was it just me or was bisu's zealot speed in game 1 very, very late? I was too sad to watch anything past game 3

Yeah, mind played well, but I was set on bisu completing his hattrick.

FreeDoM[YA]

Canada855 Posts

November 18 2007 01:31 GMT

#18

In game 1, Bisu did go for the island expo, now, correct me if I'm wrong, but he kind of overextended himself, also, I think he suicided alot of his units to buy time to let the economy kick in. It just didn't happen, Mind played very well, I'm very impressed, also did he walk the royal road?

HaXxorIzed

Australia8434 Posts

November 18 2007 01:34 GMT

#19

Fakesteve put my thoughts in order better than I could myself. Particularly game 1 and 4, rather poor decisions from Bisu that I never expected him to make. It's not taking away from Mind's play at all (and he still could have won), but I expected a much better display from Bisu in the finals. The death to timing attacks after taking the third gas really set the theme up for the night - Bisu not playing as well as he should against an opponent who had prepared and executed extremley well to counter him.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

November 18 2007 01:47 GMT

#20

I just rewatched game 1, and I noticed that Bisu also made several big micro mistakes that he usually doesn't make (like in his beastly Terran-push breaking vs Hwasin and Xellos). On two separate occasions, he clumped up ~10ish zealots while charging and let them all die to mines and tank splash while charging. The first time, this led to the loss of his 3rd nexus and the second time the game.

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