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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:52 Tehpoofter wrote: even a broke clock is right twice a day  @ SlOOsh what are you reads if they aren't effected by the gruops? Ouch. That insult... First you try to pocket me, now you are insulting me. What are you trying to do here poof? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:53 Holyflare wrote: How can you even have a plan if it has nothing to do with reads? You like ritoky's plan but his is based on reads. If you like his plan you therefore must agree with his reads? Ritoky's plan understands the role of information. That's what I like and view as similar. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:57 slOosh wrote: Like, what's the point of running for mayor if you don't even have a plan? Who is running for mayor without a plan? Also I missed this poofter: What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout? I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo. twat face and no are my responses | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:47 Tehpoofter wrote: I no longer like you. Sorry for pointing out your typo/misspeak  I didn't realize how good of a player you were did you ever get to rerereading or is it too early to ask for a read? touchy. but dw, youll get up to speed eventually my young padawan. ill give you reads when i feel like it. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote: Who is running for mayor without a plan? Also I missed this poofter: twat face and no are my responses I'm sorry. Holyflare, what is your plan for Cell order? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 28 2014 12:00 slOosh wrote: I'm sorry. Holyflare, what is your plan for Cell order? On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote: I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game. There are several approaches you can take: A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points. B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention. I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last. Anyone that can possibly make a cell order when almost half the people haven't spoken yet is crazy. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: touchy. but dw, youll get up to speed eventually my young padawan. ill give you reads when i feel like it. I'm confused you and tamburini can't both be mafia. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
First I want to talk about urgent situations; the election process and determining group order. I am open to being elected as mayor. This post is going to inform you of the processes I have considered using to select group order, if I were mayor. I don't know who I'm voting for yet. It isn't important to me that I be elected. It is however important that the person I vote for comment on these processes I have come up with. I have already seen some comments about the role of the mayor not being important. I don't agree with those comments. This is an important decision. Mayor, as I see it, should be a tool that town uses to take early control and set the pace for the rest of the game so that mafia have to play by the rules town lays down. So, how does one as mayor determine group order? I have come up with several scenarios: - Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better. - Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first? - Everyone picks one "most likely to be mafia" from each group and compares. Sort according to who gets picked most. - "Easy" first. "Easy groups" meaning groups where there are two people working together against someone. - Lastly, my favorite option, all of the above. More data is better. I propose either to the mayor, or possibly as mayor, that we use a combination of these processes for the group selection procedure. Once group order is determined, we can decide who to lynch in each group. I have brainstormed the following situations: - Lynch for single "mistake"/"tell"/"scummy post"; important to use heated rhetoric and pressure of spotlight in this situation. - Lynch because agenda shows anti-town/pro-mafia pattern over time. Either voting pattern, tone/posting style, on the wrong side of arguments, etc. Next post if I can get around to it tonight is notes and practical applications. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
The best you can do is outline what plan of action you are taking and then as a team we make an order together, right near the end of the day when we have as much information as possible. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
- Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better. - Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first? These are the two I have problems with. First of all, if you lynch groups with the lowest contribution you are essentially taking a shot in the dark because there is a lot less to look at when lynching that group. If this happens with 2 groups in a row then we end up already being 2-0 down and some easier to read people might be at the back of the line because they contributed a lot but ended up being mafia. Secondly, if you analyse the groups in terms of "most mafia members" then you're essentially saying that the general consensus is that nobody has any idea who is mafia within that cell thereby making it another shot in the dark. Least town members is kinda alright-ish but also will end up in probably many meh moments. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 28 2014 12:12 slOosh wrote: Holyflare, did you read Cell Mini 1? If so, what do you think of their ordering? I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Idk ill read more into that later. I like batsnacks first post, though Im probably gonna have to reread it a few times to understand everything he is saying. As of now, i think im off for the night. Super tired. If yall have any questions for me, or about my cell, let me know. Right now, i really dont like layabout. He came in with obvious posts, says he's going to look at cell 1, and then disappears. Bleh. And i need mderg to post before i can make a for sure read. Later guys. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 28 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote: I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first. Oh god ... this is awkward ... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
where was the question leading? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Well I was going to get at the day 1 cell. Palmar + Sentinel + Coag. Essentially (as I saw it when I read) was that the town wanted to lynch to clear inactives, basically adopting the "who don't we want at LYLO". As evident from how it went down, even had Palmar been town, it would have been a terrible cell as mafia have a larger than normal influence compared to traditional games. By having an "active" group such as cell B go forth, there is bound to be interaction and a much better shot at hitting the right lynch. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 28 2014 12:25 slOosh wrote: Well I was going to get at the day 1 cell. Palmar + Sentinel + Coag. Essentially (as I saw it when I read) was that the town wanted to lynch to clear inactives, basically adopting the "who don't we want at LYLO". As evident from how it went down, even had Palmar been town, it would have been a terrible cell as mafia have a larger than normal influence compared to traditional games. By having an "active" group such as cell B go forth, there is bound to be interaction and a much better shot at hitting the right lynch. we wanted the rayn/gumshoe/steveling cell to go first but rayn rage quit | ||
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