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Yeah Haru just said most of the things I wanted to say. jabber, why did you purposefully lie about who was scum last game? You had an opportunity to explain yourself and you took this angle instead.
On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote: I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende Saying you "screwed up about if that was posted" isn't true, you did purposefully try to lie about the team. Why?
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Vote count:
jabberwockzerg (2) - 27ninjabunnies, HaruRH, fuba 27ninjabunnies (1) - Palmar
Not voting: - Chromatically, Meapak_Ziphh, gobbledydook, jabberwockzerg, mderg, sqrtofneg1, slOosh, Amiko, Alakaslam, fuba
Currently jabberwockzerg is set to be lynched!
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Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5
bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting.
On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote: Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies. If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far.
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.
On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Definitely leaving towards scum though Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as.
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On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote: Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town.
On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote: But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason.
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On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote: Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town.
He was pretty much playing like a newbie to me and he is leaning heavily towards mafia for me. Anything else he says won't change anything about that decision, so the best decision in my opinion was to leave before he screws up his day 1.
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Okay I'll be a good sheep.
##vote jabberwockzerg
To put in clear terms what the problem I, and clearly others, have is:
On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote: I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende
The point isn't that you screwed it up. The point is that you brought up an argument that you already know is invalid. I don't see any motivation for someone who is town to do that.
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.
Unless you can explain why as town it makes sense for you to throw something you know will not help solve the issue at hand into the mix, we're going to have to lynch you.
I'm fine with not doing anything else today. This is better than most day 1 lynch opportunities we get.
@jabberwockzerg: if you're somehow town, now is your time to step up.
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Just read Chrome's post above. I'm feeling good about this lynch. All on board!
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On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote: Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote: But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.
...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...
##Unvote I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason. I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.
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Bleh, I'll do another read through the thread when I have time after class. The lynch just seems wrong to me :S
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I don't like palmar so far. I do like fuba.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO after I slept, I forgot about ze rules. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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On May 27 2014 23:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I don't like palmar so far. I do like fuba. Why do you not like me? I am really nice except when I'm not.
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Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
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On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
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On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it.
On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.
If by qt, you mean he said last game he was gonna play the noob card, yeah I read that, too.
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones
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On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.
He even posted in that QT, so he read it. On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones Why would you look into things you know to be wrong.
That'd be like me scumhunting myself. It makes absolutely no sense.
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