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On May 23 2014 08:53 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 08:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Can I say I love Steve this game?
like.... just love Masons confirmed jk *cough* Whatcha talking about, Willis? Wait why why what? Myra it is your turn why you <3 Steveling?
Cause I have basically the entire game. He permanently green stamped me.
And also because he's trying to figure out the game. He's volunteering to analysis on the vote switches.
And they aren't bad either.
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On May 23 2014 08:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Am I learning the real names of people right now?
My name is definitely not Myra.
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On May 23 2014 08:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Am I learning the real names of people right now?
In a .032% chance, possibly
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Yeah my phone knows some people and thinks I was talking to Myra. Rather I was trying to say "yes"
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Huh it is one after another then.
Why did you bother to throw in a slash?
Anyway there was actually a significant amount of time before I returned according to my memory fwiw.
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On May 23 2014 08:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Huh it is one after another then.
Why did you bother to throw in a slash?
Anyway there was actually a significant amount of time before I returned according to my memory fwiw.
What?
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On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet  !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense
do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game?
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On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game?
And what you think steveling is doing then?
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On May 23 2014 09:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game? And what you think steveling is doing then?
i have no qualms with what steveling is doing but he's not a vet and vets would find it easy to seem towny in this game imo
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On May 23 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 09:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game? And what you think steveling is doing then? i have no qualms with what steveling is doing but he's not a vet and vets would find it easy to seem towny in this game imo
Sorrryy... That was actually meant for Slam.
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On May 23 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Huh it is one after another then.
Why did you bother to throw in a slash?
Anyway there was actually a significant amount of time before I returned according to my memory fwiw. What?
No I mean I just discovered my main reason for Steveling suspicion is moot.
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On May 23 2014 09:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game? And what you think steveling is doing then?
I don't see him much, when I did he was either asking me something (everyone does that) or messing with bbcode associated with me XD
Nah he is fine just null to townish.
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On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:So far a bunch of towns. BH Hapahauli Marv (Oh look vet !) Mattisfoolish Austinmcc And a scum read or two. Mtamburini and Steveling. Why Hapa? Why Marv? Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense. Marv because he also made sense do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game?
Possibly not.
See I have a strong suspicion that the factions are:
Town
Scum
Djinni
Djinni
Third party (WHY WAS I MENTION ELECTRICITY SERIOUSLY GOLKS IGNORE ALL THE WISDOM AND THE TROLL IS LIKE LOL AND THE FOOT IN MOUTH GETS MICROSCOPE) HIJOLE had to get it out.
So, as djinni I see no reason for them to actively make sense and hunt scum, and as scum they could probably SVENGALI me yeah.
Understand I plan to focus on getting things right but sheep too. I will get things, right, and sheep.
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valerius
Pay attention.
On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote:
Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first.
He like bh's case.
On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote:Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Two things: @ HolyflareWhy are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius & + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius He then jumps over onto mtamburini after his/her bunnies post, which is later followed by: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Alright finished reading the thread, and my thoughts haven't changed too much. mtamburini's still my lynch of choice today. I've already made some thoughts on her larger quote-bomb post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=38#745http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=40#787...and foolishness has a post on her as well... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? She quote's ceph's giant case on Bunnies and basically blindly agrees with it. There's no indication in this post that she's actually read the damn thing - it's almost like she looks at the case, sees it's big, and just sheeps it. Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Of all the points against her, I think this is the most compelling.
Ritoky/ValeniusI've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. "I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates." - What?!? You were pushing me early on when nobody else except MZ really was, and you seem like you've just rediscovered that you think im scummy? You then seem to completely drop off me: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:09 layabout wrote:If marv convinces yall to lynch me, which i am rather tempted to just let happen you should flip this guy: On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout this is his first and only mention of me. it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread. a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny. it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever. I am dissapointed in you guys Be dissappointed in your own play. This is literally the first read of any substance you've made all game. Talk to me about some other people - mtamburini and ritoky are a good start. Surely if you think i'm scummy, you'd be mentioning me in that list? You then come back onto me when: + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +Yell0w.+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. OnceKing posts his 'observation' which ive already said i think is a ridiculously easy one to make. I even bolded my own town/null reads for ease of viewing. Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour.
He posts this to defend himself and omgsus'ing Hapa.
Literally 1min later
On May 23 2014 04:10 Valenius wrote:
##Vote: OdinOfPergo
It screams to me newbie scum play. Put effort into a read to get them of off your back then blindly sheep someone else ignoring your own post.
Anyway, the fact that he voted immediately after his long read proves that his mind was set on Odin before even he started writing his read about hapa.
Oh and he also didn't give any reason about voting Odin, he just liked bh's case as he said earlier.
HF
On May 23 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote:Dislike pretty much 50% of BH's case on odin but the other half is alright (the part where he just sheeps people without saying anything and doesn't really mention why he's voting them). ##unvote ##vote odin
+ Show Spoiler +However, I just want to point out these people who seem to just go with the flow for no reasoning or whatever and try and push their own lynches so strangely and in such an odd way that I think they could be scum. On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it.
I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote. On May 23 2014 03:49 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Does anyone remember the quote:Odin bet that BH made with someone?
I feel like that's what this is now. I was thinking the same. I was looking for it but couldn't find it. Both of these lynches feel kinda "eh" to me, but maybe I'm just bad. I don't know. On May 23 2014 04:00 Cavalinho wrote:
Alright alright I'm moving my vote. ^ That's the scummiest response i've seen, why would he need other people to jump onto odin before he does it instead of going through the points BH raised and talking about them and agreeing/disagreeing and making his own points. Very different from the cav in glory seeker that wanted to make sure he didn't mislynch people by reading into their posts. Also states that these lynches feel "eh" but for no reason and no conversation why and then after everything switches anyway....? On May 23 2014 03:15 OnceKing wrote:
i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff
i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo ^ thinks odin is scum but doesn't state why or converse and then actually starts to want to push val instead for far worse reasoning than bh laid out for odin. Not only that but afaik cav thinks val was scum but then onceking drops his entire scum read (which he should have been making ON HIS OWN THE ENTIRE GAME) because cav doesn't like the lynch and he thinks cav is town.......? a) i'm pretty sure cav thinks val is scum, b) why would he drop his own read because of his read on cav On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. ^ no comment on what bh said, completely gave him a vt read based on... nothing? then wants to lynch val and after this posts meta on him but ignores the meta that bh pulled out earlier On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar ^ the fuck....?
I like that he's also trying to explain the vote switching.
I don't like the part I left outside the spoiler.
HF you realise if you read my analysis' posts that literally 80% of the people didn't explain their votes.
So why do you only pin down odin for this?
Scum points for that.
On May 23 2014 04:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:42 Steveling wrote:On May 23 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. so what specifically do you disagree on, isn't it scummy that you then have this view and so many people agreed with it that he now has 12 votes? You could also say that I'm basically lynching myself d2 if he flips red after coming to defend him 30mins before lynch. I don't care, the case is pure make believe, like a scum case. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:45 Steveling wrote:On May 23 2014 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. Do you or do you not objectively agree with the points raised in my case? I said it's make believe. Nothing substantial, nothing that I would read and go "damn this guy is right". Mby I'm just a bad townie but I don't like it. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:50 Steveling wrote:
I'll put my vote where my mouth is and hope for the best.
##unbote
##bote: mtamburini Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:51 Steveling wrote:
Fucks sake layabout, do you know how ez we made it for the scum veterans to come after us now?
Whether he flips red or green.
Fuck this game. these posts are really really strange and i mean more than just being bad like normal strange, unnatural feeling of pressure, hate of this game for no good reason, "fabricated scum case" made by bh but no reason why
I don't like how he looks like he's setting up to say "steve knew Odin was town, thats how he rejected bh's case".
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how is that post anything to do with whether odin flips town or not, it's literally the exact same thing you are doing
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 06:46 Steveling wrote:Xatalos's vote historyWhat he thought about Odin literally 4 mins before vote switching, I checked the times. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:05 Xatalos wrote:
I was actually talking about Valenius there, but yeah, the same applies to Odin too. Maybe even more so since there's some kind of pretense of scumhunting by Odin. And after 2mins Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:07 Xatalos wrote:
I think I've become one of the crazy people.
##Unvote
##Vote: OdinofPergo His very next post is him trying to confirm his own bias, which himself admitted was crazy Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:08 Xatalos wrote:
Odin played similarly as town in that game? How does he play as scum then? 1minute after claiming he stopped using logic, he asks what's Odin's scum play. Right. I understand voting on rng for the fun of it but this is 100% scummy posting. He confirms once again how silly this is Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy. It's crazy, I know :O Why did you ask that scummy question about Odin's scum meta then? Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:18 Xatalos wrote:
I think Odin/Valenius are the best lynches atm. Gogo ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ Since when, 7 mins ago you said it's crazy. His last post of worth is this Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:23 Xatalos wrote:
That's a bit weird yeah. Hopefully he's just reading the thread. 2 hours before the lynch, he refers to burini who disappeared. Not sure if he thought it was weird or just trying to post a shitty excuse about not voting him and voting Odin instead.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 07:23 Steveling wrote:KushmastaWell that was fast. In his whole filter he offers nothing. Read it yourselves, it's short. Then he comes up with this Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation whatever, not sure if scum or incredibly lazy town.
koshiBH's idiotic, biased case was posted at 19:51. Very first post after it was koshis Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:52 Koshi wrote:
What about you tell me who you are and I sheep you? He liked that "case". The next post is also his Koshi dig up that obscure case to support BH meta read on Odin. I like the following though Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote:
BH was pretty persuasive in YOSO on SnB right? Or was he less persuasive?
Anybody remembers?
I don't want to fall into this rng trap :/ Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:29 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty sure BH is going to disappoint me once again but we will see. Can't make up my mind about him.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 08:00 Steveling wrote:OncekingHe tunnels valenius. Even manages to convince marvel to join him. Then.. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:34 OnceKing wrote:
bluey's kinda sketch though i still want to know why there are like 4 votes on odin Followed by Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo Too short to give a read but since you are one of the people that thought BH's case was good I just wanna slow clap for you sarcastically.
marvellocityAs said above he sheeped onceking against valerius. Then there's something golden, involving marvel and kita Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2014 02:38 kitaman27 wrote:
It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle. You're not alone Open the quote to read kita. They are casually teasing with the idea of Odin being scum 10 mins before BH's big post. Later he explicitly says that BH's post was bad Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy. no, he's definitely crazy. however, crazy people can be right also. After he did that look at the reason he rebuffs a valenius vote Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:26 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. your detailed reasoning it overwhelms with its persuasiveness Because bh's case was persuasive right? Anyway, Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2014 04:31 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm getting the feeling that Odin is actually just afk and that we probably shouldn't be voting him.
>.> best to lynch someone when they're not around, then you don't feel like you may have made a mistake when they argue. Why does that not apply to burini? Didn't she also disappear? Y u pick sides marvel? Nothing of quality until after the flip Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst You said it bro.
hapaMark the time of the following Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:02 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll consider switching to Odin depending on what Valenius comes up with in the next few hours. Can't do much on my phone, but I can and will be reading. After some hours, following his prediction we have this Then some time after BH's post he vote switches He didn't give a single reason why. He has said earlier that he won't have time pre-lynch for big posts but still He went from this Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Alright I'll be driving for the rest of today. I might be able to make a vote post on the road somewhere, but other than that, I'm pretty much done with posting/analysis until after the lynch deadline.
I think Valenius is our best option for today. Tambo's recent activity makes me far more hesitant about him. I can't say for sure if he's town, but he's atleast null, and there are better targets out there for today. To vote switching to Odin for no reason at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 08:39 Steveling wrote:thrawnShow nested quote +On May 22 2014 13:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok i can get behind lynching mtamburini. reading that filter made me feel like I was being lied to. lies masked by attempts at humor. After bh's post Yeah. I'm the one shitting the thread though. Make of this what you will.
brqShow nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote:
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today. You get a slow clap as well.
cavEy guys, would you look at that Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:39 Cavalinho wrote:On May 23 2014 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2014 02:38 kitaman27 wrote:
It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle. You're not alone +1 Cav joins marvel and kita. The following isn't looking very towny Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:44 Cavalinho wrote:On May 23 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
what are the last 20 pages about Someone acting like a dick. Could've been anyone, mistakes were made. Also the lynch changed. It's either mtam or Odin today. Not relevant, you don't have to read it. Definitely gloss over it. Don't think about it. No sir. Also he didn't provide a reason for his switch to odin. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:43 Cavalinho wrote:
Though I admit, your view on how Odin is an easy voteswitch is kind of what I was thinking. I don't really like this lynch because it's just such an easy lynch, but BH still made a good case I think. Dafaq is wrong with you people. Although I played with him being towny in 2 other games I can't say if it's his usual bad town play or scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 09:33 Steveling wrote:valeriusPay attention. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote:
Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first. He like bh's case. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote:Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Two things: @ HolyflareWhy are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius & + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius He then jumps over onto mtamburini after his/her bunnies post, which is later followed by: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Alright finished reading the thread, and my thoughts haven't changed too much. mtamburini's still my lynch of choice today. I've already made some thoughts on her larger quote-bomb post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=38#745http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=40#787...and foolishness has a post on her as well... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? She quote's ceph's giant case on Bunnies and basically blindly agrees with it. There's no indication in this post that she's actually read the damn thing - it's almost like she looks at the case, sees it's big, and just sheeps it. Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Of all the points against her, I think this is the most compelling.
Ritoky/ValeniusI've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. "I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates." - What?!? You were pushing me early on when nobody else except MZ really was, and you seem like you've just rediscovered that you think im scummy? You then seem to completely drop off me: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:09 layabout wrote:If marv convinces yall to lynch me, which i am rather tempted to just let happen you should flip this guy: On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout this is his first and only mention of me. it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread. a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny. it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever. I am dissapointed in you guys Be dissappointed in your own play. This is literally the first read of any substance you've made all game. Talk to me about some other people - mtamburini and ritoky are a good start. Surely if you think i'm scummy, you'd be mentioning me in that list? You then come back onto me when: + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DciHBnMnlo Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. OnceKing posts his 'observation' which ive already said i think is a ridiculously easy one to make. I even bolded my own town/null reads for ease of viewing. Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour. He posts this to defend himself and omgsus'ing Hapa. Literally 1min later It screams to me newbie scum play. Put effort into a read to get them of off your back then blindly sheep someone else ignoring your own post. Anyway, the fact that he voted immediately after his long read proves that his mind was set on Odin before even he started writing his read about hapa. Oh and he also didn't give any reason about voting Odin, he just liked bh's case as he said earlier.
HFShow nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote:Dislike pretty much 50% of BH's case on odin but the other half is alright (the part where he just sheeps people without saying anything and doesn't really mention why he's voting them). ##unvote ##vote odin
+ Show Spoiler +However, I just want to point out these people who seem to just go with the flow for no reasoning or whatever and try and push their own lynches so strangely and in such an odd way that I think they could be scum. On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it.
I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote. On May 23 2014 03:49 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Does anyone remember the quote:Odin bet that BH made with someone?
I feel like that's what this is now. I was thinking the same. I was looking for it but couldn't find it. Both of these lynches feel kinda "eh" to me, but maybe I'm just bad. I don't know. On May 23 2014 04:00 Cavalinho wrote:
Alright alright I'm moving my vote. ^ That's the scummiest response i've seen, why would he need other people to jump onto odin before he does it instead of going through the points BH raised and talking about them and agreeing/disagreeing and making his own points. Very different from the cav in glory seeker that wanted to make sure he didn't mislynch people by reading into their posts. Also states that these lynches feel "eh" but for no reason and no conversation why and then after everything switches anyway....? On May 23 2014 03:15 OnceKing wrote:
i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff
i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo ^ thinks odin is scum but doesn't state why or converse and then actually starts to want to push val instead for far worse reasoning than bh laid out for odin. Not only that but afaik cav thinks val was scum but then onceking drops his entire scum read (which he should have been making ON HIS OWN THE ENTIRE GAME) because cav doesn't like the lynch and he thinks cav is town.......? a) i'm pretty sure cav thinks val is scum, b) why would he drop his own read because of his read on cav On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. ^ no comment on what bh said, completely gave him a vt read based on... nothing? then wants to lynch val and after this posts meta on him but ignores the meta that bh pulled out earlier On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar ^ the fuck....? I like that he's also trying to explain the vote switching. I don't like the part I left outside the spoiler. HF you realise if you read my analysis' posts that literally 80% of the people didn't explain their votes. So why do you only pin down odin for this? Scum points for that. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:58 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. On May 23 2014 04:42 Steveling wrote:On May 23 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. so what specifically do you disagree on, isn't it scummy that you then have this view and so many people agreed with it that he now has 12 votes? You could also say that I'm basically lynching myself d2 if he flips red after coming to defend him 30mins before lynch. I don't care, the case is pure make believe, like a scum case. On May 23 2014 04:45 Steveling wrote:On May 23 2014 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.
I don't like where this is going. Do you or do you not objectively agree with the points raised in my case? I said it's make believe. Nothing substantial, nothing that I would read and go "damn this guy is right". Mby I'm just a bad townie but I don't like it. On May 23 2014 04:50 Steveling wrote:
I'll put my vote where my mouth is and hope for the best.
##unbote
##bote: mtamburini On May 23 2014 04:51 Steveling wrote:
Fucks sake layabout, do you know how ez we made it for the scum veterans to come after us now?
Whether he flips red or green.
Fuck this game. these posts are really really strange and i mean more than just being bad like normal strange, unnatural feeling of pressure, hate of this game for no good reason, "fabricated scum case" made by bh but no reason why I don't like how he looks like he's setting up to say "steve knew Odin was town, thats how he rejected bh's case".
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My own opinion is that Xatalos and Val are scum.
Also 2 of Kita/marvel/cav may be any combination of scum/3rd party with anti town win conditions.
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On May 23 2014 09:44 Steveling wrote:
My own opinion is that Xatalos and Val are scum.
Also 2 of Kita/marvel/cav may be any combination of scum/3rd party with anti town win conditions.
What do you think of tambo?
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Until yesterday he was giving me scummy vibes but I have to filter him and I don't want to now.
Kinda tired, Q_Q.
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I'll look at your stuff after work Scumeling. Maybe I won't shoot you for lulz.
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EPT
