EPTlike, if you thought it was a terrible idea then why weren't you around for almost a whole day to stop it from happening? more than likely is scum wanting to say "sheep me, i knew this was wrong" but instead of actually pushing the idea that it's wrong you wait until after the lynch when it can't be changed anymore to whine at us.
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
like, if you thought it was a terrible idea then why weren't you around for almost a whole day to stop it from happening? more than likely is scum wanting to say "sheep me, i knew this was wrong" but instead of actually pushing the idea that it's wrong you wait until after the lynch when it can't be changed anymore to whine at us. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 23 2014 10:48 OnceKing wrote: to clarify i would say that post by BlueyD puts him on the scummy side of things. I'd vote to kill him, but he wouldn't be my first choice. In my personal experience mafia members like to come in after a ML and call people idiots despite not doing anything about it like, if you thought it was a terrible idea then why weren't you around for almost a whole day to stop it from happening? more than likely is scum wanting to say "sheep me, i knew this was wrong" but instead of actually pushing the idea that it's wrong you wait until after the lynch when it can't be changed anymore to whine at us. this guy is onto something, maybe i should be listening to kita! :OOOO blueyd just straight up assumes we lynched odin because of rng? what if we found other information that pointed heavily towards him being scum and it looked really convincing, why would he be posting that we're idiots before actually reading? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgNdK.png) I don't negotiate with terrorists. period. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 23 2014 11:10 Blazinghand wrote: oh man, wrong image after all that effort editing it fuuuu I can't handle all the grammar and spelling mistakes. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
--- Okay my first read of the night is on Steve. As annoying as he’s been and as anti-town as his spamming has looked D1, it seems likely to me now that Steveling is town. First, he’s stepping up in a major way. Second, who the hell softclaims vet (or whatever survival role he has) when a claimed townvig is tunneling him? Like, geript wanted to shoot him already, now he can do so with zero risk of killing a townie: either he confirms the survival role or he hits scum. Steveling is asking to get shot with his claim, I can’t see him doing that as scum because that’d be mind-blowingly stupid. --- Cavalinho’s play is scummy, and here’s why: His words speak against a lynch on Odin (and generally for a lynch on burini), yet his vote is on Odin the whole time. THE WHOLE TIME. On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote: I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it. I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote. Votecount at that moment: burini = 8, Val = 6, Odin = 4. Hey, burini is getting lynched, not Val! On May 23 2014 04:31 Cavalinho wrote: I'm getting the feeling that Odin is actually just afk and that we probably shouldn't be voting him. This is what he says as he puts his vote on Odin. He's already backtracking. On May 23 2014 04:43 Cavalinho wrote: I only wanted to switch onto Odin if I could confirm that Odin would die over Val, because I don't think Val is scum. You can't just take one sentence out of context and say, "yes, this person is scum because of 'sentence.'" (...) Though I admit, your view on how Odin is an easy voteswitch is kind of what I was thinking. I don't really like this lynch because it's just such an easy lynch, but BH still made a good case I think. Votes are counted 2 mins later, burini = 5, Val = 3, Odin = 13. Val is NOWHERE near getting lynched when he writes that. Unless I miscounted, Val has NEVER been over burini in votes. The best it got is within 1 vote of each other. Says he doesn’t like the lynch but he’s on it himself. On May 23 2014 04:53 Cavalinho wrote: Is there any way we can get this wagon to flip again 5 minutes before deadline though? Oh, now he seems to show willingness to last-minute flip... but his vote doesn’t move. burini and Odin are the only ones with 5+ votes so obviously there’s no real risk of lynching anyone else there and the "no lynching Val" excuse is entirely void, but the vote still stays on Odin. On May 23 2014 05:09 Cavalinho wrote: We could have fixed this. We could have fixed this. Maybe, but he certainly didn't try. | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible. Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad. Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline. Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it. | ||
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geript
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Hapahauli
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
First of all, I never really spoke against a lynch on Odin. Ever. I never even mentioned the lynch on Odin because I thought RNG was dumb and I thought Steveling was scum for some stuff he pulled early game. The only time I brought it up was because BH posted his case about his disconnect with the game and I thought that he had something there. Obviously, I was wrong and so was everyone else on that lynch. Secondly, you took that third post out of context. Way out of context. That was an explanation for someone else and you said something about votecounts which doesn't really make any sense when quoted with the case you posted. Finally, you act like I have to tunnel people out of the game. After my warning, I decided to try and make a conscious decision to clean my play up and just be nicer...Generally. I didn't/don't feel like tunneling another player out of the game and I had my doubts about the lynches from the start, with the exception of mtam. (Who is getting shot tonight.) Your entire case boils down to "he was on a lynch he didn't like," and it's kind of true. Doesn't make me mafia, and doesn't indicate a scum mindset at all. Not liking lynch targets doesn't make me scum, and nothing you posted actually points to me being mafia in any way. I feel like I've been really honest with what I've been doing and my intentions of trying to be a nicer/better player overall. I hope that quenches any concerns you have. (Also apologies to the people I pissed off before. :< ) | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote: Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information. I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible. Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad. Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline. Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it. can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On May 23 2014 13:50 Hapahauli wrote: Much townier than yesterday. His push on Odin was textbook town BH. Really? Idk, maybe I've just been playing on tilt since the Yamato game. Like I don't really get how and when he comes out with his case because like he keeps on finding him scummy throughout the day but keeps on changing the reason and I don't get how he doesn't come out with some big case against his RNG target like way sooner. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 23 2014 13:53 Cavalinho wrote: Obviously, I was wrong and so was everyone else on that lynch. I beg your pardon. Much like vivax in our previous game again I was flawless. | ||
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geript
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote: can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head. The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them... BH = Town Kita = Null Marv = Slight-Town | ||
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