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On May 23 2014 14:00 BlueyD wrote:
If you had doubts about the lynches from the start with the exception of mtam... why didn't you vote mtam?
I really only provided that analysis with the benefit of hindsight. By the time I didn't really want Odin to die anymore, it was far and away too late to save him. What, you think people were going to listen to me and flip to someone else at the last second? Nobody even bothered listening to me about anything I've said this game sans rage, so whatever.
Besides, mtam is most likely going to die tonight regardless. He's a good shot, if nothing else than for information.
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Hmmm what convinced you that Odin shouldn't die after all?
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On May 23 2014 14:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.
I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.
Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.
Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.
Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it. can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head. The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them... BH = Town Kita = Null Marv = Slight-Town
Of course it matters if they're town because you want to find not-town people and they could be pushing agendas as not town?? Are you solely saying that you followed them because their names were all up there and pretty like? Now that you know he was town do they look more suspicious to you for providing 0 reasoning for lynching odin? Kita doesn't even mention wanting to lynch odin at all afaik in his entire filter.
On May 23 2014 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:
There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.
I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.
^ does that look more strange to you now considering that? Kita falls into that category of people but he wants to look into those people. Does that make sense?
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Mostly context. It was a really easy bandwagon to hop on for, case or no case. Odin wasn't doing anything all day, and I generally felt like he was just a townie away from the game or whatever towards the end.
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Eh no more questions for tonight, I'm just gonna go to bed and read this stuff again later when I'm less tired. Cyall tomorrow.
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On May 22 2014 15:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 15:01 geript wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. If by all the time, you mean his one game as town... On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I have. I pointed out that he's gotten in shit fights as scum before. As a matter of fact, as town, he got in far less shitfights AND his posting was far more full of actual content. On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. He was pretty whorish too. Plus for getting in as many fights as he's had, in all of those, he's been the calm one in them. He's the one who cares about whether or not he gets in trouble for it. On May 22 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:20 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. Then check my filter for the big, red-titled post on why I thought he was scum. But that's the thing - those types of posts you point out "after the spam" really aren't present in Cell Mafia. He just seems as a whole so much more hyper and emotional in this game. Anyway, talk to me about some other people. Layabout, tambo, ritoky, etc. I agree that his play on face value looks different from Cell. But it also looks exceptionally different from Glory Hole. The trends in his play are far more reflective is his Cell game than his Gloryhole game. Like I really don't get how you could meta a player so awfully. Mine explaining why you've protected Scumeling so many times on bad meta? I really don't know how to say it any better than I have: the guy has a fucking 10 page filter in 24 hours. If you think mafia can do that, you're insane. But then again, I really don't feel like arguing any more since... a) There's no way I'm going to convince someone confirmation biased enough to call the guy "scumelling" over and overa gain.b) Steveling isn't getting lynched. My target of choice is. c) The "oats-whisperer" does not get to lecture me on how to interpret meta cases.
From my reading of the thread you were one of the people who switched votes onto Odin for not an outright stated justification in the thread. It seemed to me to be following behind Kush primarily, but even then you did a lot of hedging saying Val was probably a better target.
So I have two questions for you if you wouldn't mind obliging me.
1) Can you state clearly why you switched your vote onto Odin?
2) You made a very large deal about geript having confirmation bias blinding him about steveling, so where was that same concern about BH having confirmation bias against Odin in regards to the case he made? (see bolded part and convo above)
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On May 23 2014 11:10 Blazinghand wrote:oh man, wrong image after all that effort editing it fuuuu ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ynqE3kL.png)
BH you just got me howling again
I just left a project M match because I nearly died irl laughing. Usually I main peach right? So she has a projectile, and it is thrown. So I have developed pretty good aim with these. Very well.
Tonight I did unusually well, and was canceling moves with ultimate trolling prowess, such that the fellows conspired "we must change the character"
So from Ike and Falco to Toon Link, Ivysaur, and Pit- respectively, we went
Toon link also has a projectile
And it cancels moves more consistently than a turnip
Teh lulz were had such that I lost, I was howling
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On May 23 2014 16:06 Steveling wrote:
sleepy time
Alright. Good night then.
Anyone else here?
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You know?
I think Geript is scum.
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I'm about to head off to bed
but before I do, I'll bite.
why?
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I think the way he is pushing Steveling & I lacks something.
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I mean he's definitely a mole of epic proportions here, haven't seen what would make him scum
guess I'll check through his filter and stuff when I wake up
in the meantime can I get you to read through kita's stuff? Maybe you could have a more meta perspective on him but he feels really timid and not pushy at all with his reads this game which I don't like
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On May 23 2014 16:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
why do you care slam
Usually I wouldn't, touché
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On May 23 2014 16:47 OnceKing wrote:
I mean he's definitely a mole of epic proportions here, haven't seen what would make him scum
guess I'll check through his filter and stuff when I wake up
in the meantime can I get you to read through kita's stuff? Maybe you could have a more meta perspective on him but he feels really timid and not pushy at all with his reads this game which I don't like
I am not versed on Kitaman. However I will skim
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I wiuld call Kita town.
C u 2morrow
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wow 2 hours no posts. magic.
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On May 23 2014 11:30 Steveling wrote:
I'm not even sure if bh and marv are playing this game or just messing around.
A bit of both. Which means I'm pretty obviously not mafia because I don't enjoy myself enough as mafia to mess around. I can't give a convincing argument that I'm not another faction though (am not, superhomopinkyswear promise).
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wow that is a strong promise.
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EPT
