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But maybe when he was converted he lost his doctor-powers. I think that's possible- In this case, he doesn't have any powers, but has to claim some because he is Dr. Who. He uses his initial role, but switches out vigi-shot-powers for less a confirmable protect power. If someone he is supposed to protect dies, he can just claim WIFOM. Town can't tell him to shoot a mafia partner because as far as town knows, he can't vig shoot. | ||
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I'll come back later with tehpoofter comments | ||
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austinmcc
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You're welcome to try and convince me, and I'll actually listen, but that Kita post looks quite odd. Kita being a conversion is a point in your favor though, up until that post about Kita looking town, you were a good conversion target but not a good initial option. | ||
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Amiko
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Summary D1, Tehpoofter asks kush a few questions. Some on kita, some on rayn. Seems to be okay with a kita lynch. He later does ask Slam some questions, too. N1, lists vivax, kita, kush, and JJD as top scumreads – he townreads thrawn and Austin. D2, reads thrawn, kush, Austin, and Amiko as town. I have only been looking for posts related to kita right now so I’m not sure if these reads seemed to evolve naturally or not. Poofter sees kush as strongly town, it seems this is largely based on kush’s shot. He feels kush is clear because the vote + day shot would be OP for mafia. I think earlier someone said they liked poofter D1 and didn’t like his D2. (That might have been me, lol, I know I felt scummier on poofter earlier). Rereading, I think poofter’s comments on D2 feel good to me: One of the best posts to see tehpoofter as town is this, I think (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=95#1886). I quoted it below, too. I’ll talk more about Tehpoofter’s comments on kita later, but he often gives reads on more than one thing at a time so I just wanted to bring it up here, too. He also doesn’t seem afraid to call out both kush and kita again in a later post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=107#2130) Thoughts Rereading poofter, one thing that really came across to me is that he often pairs kita and kush together as scum. Maybe this is part of a grander scheme to bus both his allies, but that feels less likely to me. He seems to follow up when he doubts them. He calls out a few posts by kush as scummy, and he only seems to begin to pair the two after unusual interactions between them occur. In sum, I find it difficult to believe tehpoofter is original scum. I’ll look at kush->Tehpoofter and hopefully also Tehpoofter <-> kita as well. Quote copies: + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote: @kush since you seem to be here and I'm impatient. Does kita start off all games with a random vote? and should Thrawn have known this? On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyone else have this same meta read on rayn? (Being new makes meta reading hard and when I play video mafia I base a lot of my play around this I think its far more prevalent as a read in the video version) On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia. On April 01 2014 10:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Scum leave Slam alone! There we go slam, now that I've taken care of that. What do you think of kita/kush/hopeless and vivax? On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote: Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con. Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there. Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him. Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you. JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) On April 03 2014 20:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyways I'm out for the night. I will get up early to be around pre deadline. I'm okay with any of those on my scum list for lynches, preference to vivax. Also @ austin the post you quoted with 4 I still am hardest on vivax, kush is clear I think cause his role with the extra vote and day shot would be insane op for Mafia, Kita I will get up and read on d2 actions and see if he makes the pile but just the brief thread read through nothign stood out. JJD has a nuke and I like what he was doing pressuring hopeless with the fake claim thing it seemed like a really brazen thing to do and not something you'd really want to do as mafia and I think hopeless acted poorly on it. I know I haven't been around but I feel confident on this vivax lynch read my case, maybe kush will come out with a big case like he said in one of his posts but I don't like his posting patterns. night On April 04 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote: How is kita hella town to you? Also why is JJD the possible scum out of the claimed blue roles? On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote: So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role. We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me. So my list of reads atm: Town Hero: Tehpoofter Town: Thrawn Austin Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums. Kush Vivax Hopeless JJD Neutral Pile: Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town. DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm. Most likely Scum: Kita - I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD. On April 04 2014 08:04 Tehpoofter wrote: @kush he claimed to have visited someone. @thrawn at the time I didn't want to vote a blue and he was the scummiest of the non-blue claims in my eyes. Plus what I stated in my case just above this... its honestly not very strong but more of a PoE thing. Other people looked townier and someone has to be scum type of deal. On April 04 2014 08:05 Tehpoofter wrote: anyways I'm around juist maybe in another thread. I think a massclaim at the start of the day might be the best idea. But I'd like to hear talk on it as the game might be a simple PoE type thing at that point idk the conversion makes it hard so then again it might not be good. I need time to think about it. @Thrawn/kush and those around can you guys make a list of who you think is scum/town so we can have it documented for possible conversions? On April 05 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Going to lunch I'll be back in an hour I really want to make a map of all the claims and see if anything seems odd. Kush and Kita really should full role claim. I have a theory that would be interesting in that Since there is so many blue powers when someone gets converted they get a 1 shot nuke... like kush did yesterday and amiko got today. Just something I was thinking about cause how crap this setup is kidna imbalanced for town otherwise assuming role claims are true. Like what kind of town role gets randomly turned into a day vigi? Anyways off to lunch? On April 06 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote: At amiko I don't read the lore as I really haven't seen dr who. Also don't shoot me. This game doesn't make sense. I'm honestly surprised Kita is green. One of our claimed roles is mafia because it can't be just thrown. Maybe multiple roles. What are pEoples theOrieS if I'm town (I know I am but let's venture there)? I like Austin as town I feel like role teams would be vivax/hope or Kush/Kita because they confirm each other but if it's just one fake role it's amiko (I believe he has a shot though) Someone explain how my reads make sense for someone converted and by whom. I was advocating n1 reads and did my own same with n2 I have been very open. So idk why people think I'm converted minus activity drop. I gotta head to work ill post from there. I wasn't converted and am still lame ass vt. Content is down cause I'm in three games. This being the most progressed and least amount of posts. On April 06 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I understand your scum case on kush. Where I'm at right now is that there are 2 blue claims verified by each other. Vivax/Hopeless. and Kush/Kita. I have to assume one of them is fake and then maybe + thrawn or amiko? I believe austin's in the most town unless he was converted by Vivax the night JJD and vivax visited and JJD got the check for what he started the night as. But if thats the case I feel like Austin would push on me or thrawn for an easier ML rather than go on kush/kita. I feel like a night shot from amiko would be best because we have more info and if we lynch into the wrong "half" of things he could correct us. This obviously doesn't work if hes scum but if thats the case we probably already lost tbh. On April 06 2014 08:24 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin/others around. So if Kita/kush are mafia how likely is it that its just 2? I mean someone is on the bus train hard or its just them. Maybe amiko is the 3rd the way hes talking but idk... If its kita/kush/amiko then i think it was kita alone then kush then amiko conversion wise. But maybe the n1 stuff could have been an attempt to convert toad and he couldnt' be plus they killed amiko or something. I just don't know if amiko really fits a 3rd there. So I'm wondering what is the third there? (Maybe were lucky and its only 2 but idk) On April 06 2014 08:44 Tehpoofter wrote: yeah vivax new invention each night but can't repeatedly item the same person. Thats how I understand it + the mod announcing. Its odd that he gave the item to kush though. On April 07 2014 04:02 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Vote: Kushm4sta Its time to pick a side and kush's role seems too good to be town. | ||
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Earlier hopeless said he really only saw one post from kush to tehpoofter (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=135#2682) . I think that’s pretty fair. Kush doesn’t have much interaction with tehpoofter. He does say one post by poofter makes no sense which is actually pretty understandable and sensible (calling on people to give reads). Where kush does comment on tehpoofter, he lists him as a potential scum, usually a third choice. Really, I didn’t feel there was much to say or conclude from kush’s comments on tehpoofter. Like the other set, yeah, kush says some things that look scummy in retrospect, but I don’t feel like their interactions are ever deep enough to say much. I guess given kush’s dismissal of tehpoofter, maybe we should expect poofter to see kush as scummy. That does bear out (having read tehpoofter’s comments on kush earlier), though poofter typically saw kita as scummier than kush. Quote Copies + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 21:47 kushm4sta wrote: that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something. On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote: austinmcc - hella town kitaman27 - hella town Hopeless1der - probably town thrawn2112 - possible scum JarJarDrinks -possible scum Vivax - probably town Djodref - possible scum Amiko - possible scum Tehpoofter - possible scum On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote: ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions. I'm checking kita. On April 06 2014 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: sorry.amiko +thrawn + tehpoofter recruited | ||
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It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand. So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch. After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita. After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet. I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though. Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct? Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On April 08 2014 15:13 Amiko wrote: I see the game state like this: It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand. So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch. After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita. After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet. I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though. Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct? Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two? Yes, tehpoofter's D1 looks incredibly townie. I think there's no possible way for him to be original scum. I played with him in a game right before this, and I immediately recognized him as town based off his first post. His D1 in this game felt close enough to that other game for me to give him the same read. Not only that, but his activity in this game was like 3x his activity in the other game. He's a new player and I don't think many new players are capable of having a more active scum game than town game. I haven't looked much into hopeless filter yet but that's just because of how strongly I feel about tehpoofter's D1. BTW. There is no way that I'm original mafia and I make this post during N1: On April 01 2014 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote: yep, what slam just said. You and austin are both pretty strong town reads for me. Toad seems town, i guess? He made a pont about him becoming less worried about me after i started responding to him normally, and now i'd like to make the pont that I like that he likes that i started responding to him normally. The only voter not on the rayn wagon was gumshoe. Simply due to the number of town reads I have, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia. Austin made a good pont earlier n that his inactivity shouldn't be alignment indicative becasue he posts more as scum and town, but it's his willingness to troll about flavor and be absolutely useless when he does post that makes him scummy. I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town. So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon. kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5) hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo. So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game. and that leads me to..... KUSH get the fuck in here note that I was the first person to notice and call out the extra vote mechanics. i talked about the extra vote for much of N1, talking about how scummy it was and how the person who did it needs to claim, etc. do you really think I would do that if I were kush's scummate? I know that when he finally announced that the extra vote was his, I townread him for it even after saying the extra voter is probably mafia. But I think my reasons for doing so were justified, and if you read the post where that happens it should come across as pretty honest because I was speaking very directly about the weird state of my read on kush. | ||
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or austin or amiko were original scum and all three of those ideas are ridiculous | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:37 austinmcc wrote: We're fine though. I need to make up for last time I became impromptu town leader, lead a scum lynch, and then proceeded to LOLLYNCHTOWNIES for 3-4 cycles and not commit enough time to the game. I do NOT want that happening again, town's got this. sup austin? | ||
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Hopeless1der (1) - thrawn2112 Not Voting (4) - austinmcc, Hopeless1der, Amiko, Tehpoofter Currently Hopeless1der is set to be lynched! The lynch will happen in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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