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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
On March 27 2014 07:17 Cavalinho wrote: Why did you vote me? Was it really based off the fact that I made a promise to respond to a post later on? Is that supposed to be a legitimate scumread? Slightly. Putting off that question for a long time really looked scummy. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
On March 27 2014 07:19 Eden1892 wrote: Cavalinho I'm off of you and trying hard to get someone besides you lynched, calm down and help me kill Tolkien if you think he's scum. I'm perfectly calm, I'm just looking for answers. And I think there's a scum between you and LT, and I really want to get to the root of why the way you're working the way you are first. You pushed me as scummy for quite a while, even when you were voting someone else. If voting someone else constitutes "off of you," why were you off of me and still trying to get me lynched? Why are you deliberately ignoring what I'm telling you? Or is "off of you" just when you supposedly stop talking to me? Also, reads pls. | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
On March 27 2014 07:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Slightly. Putting off that question for a long time really looked scummy. So promising to come back and answer it is scummy? Also, why is it that I gave an answer and you're still on your vote? Heading to the gym soon, will be back later tonight. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
First of all, people picking on him and pushing a lynch for making one off-topic comment about his past mafia draws (or lack therein) are idiots or scum. I don't know which and I don't care, shape up or get voted off. That one comment in isolation isn't alignment-indicative. His initial reads list / first serious page is on the weak side to me. I don't think any of his reads are especially off-base but they're not adding anything to the discussion and he wasn't asking any questions to develop them into unique insights. His vote for Cavalinho was bad, I literally cannot understand what he was trying to say when he voted for Cavalinho there. What question was open for Cavalinho to answer? I don't follow. Nothing after the vote really sticks out to me. All in all his play is sloppy but nothing jumps out to me as either alignment. Again I'm inclined to think he's sloppy town rather than sloppy mafia because everyone pushing him is setting off my bullshit radar; he looks like a good choice for an opportunistic mafia player to get mislynched. But all I see is sloppy play alignment aside. | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
He basically typed a bunch of nonsense in response to point 5, then when I called him on it he said "oh I must have been low on sleep". So no real response there and he wasn't low on sleep when he responded to the point so what he's saying really doesn't make sense. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 27 2014 07:26 Cavalinho wrote: I'm perfectly calm, I'm just looking for answers. And I think there's a scum between you and LT, and I really want to get to the root of why the way you're working the way you are first. You pushed me as scummy for quite a while, even when you were voting someone else. If voting someone else constitutes "off of you," why were you off of me and still trying to get me lynched? Why are you deliberately ignoring what I'm telling you? Or is "off of you" just when you supposedly stop talking to me? Also, reads pls. zzz My suspicions have been pretty clear and easy to follow. First I had you pegged, then Tolkien had a bad post that was soft-defending you so I had you two as scum team. He lied which got me to switch vote from you to him, but until I decided Valenius might well be Tolkien's scum partner instead of you, I had you both as scum, so of course I'm going to push for you both to die. Reads: Tolkien -- kill him now seriously why aren't all 8 of us non-Tolkien people voting him and Tolkien self-voting out of shame yet Cavalinho/Valenius -- my two main candidates for Tolkien's partner, liking Valenius more than Cavalinho if Tolkien flips guilty, and if he's inno then Valenius moves down significantly and Cavalinho is my top pick for scum sqrt -- dude hasn't given me any reason to think he's town, thankfully my three probable bad guys all have by pushing bad cases on him at some point Pixalated -- true neutral he's talking but not giving me enough to really use Robik -- active, engaging, aggressive, forthright. town OnceKing -- extensive meta experience with him, this is probably his town game imo -- I get why people dislike that he plays 20 Questions but I think he's town, the questions are his way of contributing; only thing that's bothering me is that he hasn't made an explicit case yet, lot of following from what I can see so far Jarvis -- mega posts at one point that screamed town to me, great reads and rationale, but hasn't said anything since and I'd really like more from him so Kill Pile: Tolkien, Cavalinho OR Valenius ???? starring ???? as ????: sqrt, Pixalated The A-Team: Robik, OnceKing, Jarvis, Eden | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
##Vote: sqrtofneg1 Eden, i'll read through your post tomorrow. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
I kinda want to vote for myself just to spite you and see what happens when I flip green. Pixalated what is your yake on all this. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1158 Posts
On March 27 2014 08:51 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll post mpre when I have a computer, but. I kinda want to vote for myself just to spite you and see what happens when I flip green. Pixalated what is your yake on all this. You can't vote for yourself. | ||
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Pixalated
Singapore38 Posts
- The slip in the followup post. I never said anything about whether this is the right or wrong day. Looks to me like lies are piling up on top of lies here. Why are you dodging answering this? Context: this is point 5 of eden's agurement. Here's your answer to it: 5) You just made a case about my second post being 20 minutes following up my first post. sqrt had 3 and 1/2 hours since VALENIUS posted his question to OK, and 15 minutes to Robik's WTF to OK's post, and had time to make a joke post referencing Robik joking about never being mafia on TL. Perhaps it's just me, but I really dislike that. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
1) @ sqrt: Huh. You're right. I just went back to look at LII and there was the same rule in place. No one mentioned it there, when I brought it up then. Doesn't change my read on you, but thanks. 2) Regarding Eden's 5th point: - The slip in the followup post. I never said anything about whether this is the right or wrong day. Looks to me like lies are piling up on top of lies here. I'm not sure how I misread this in the recent posts into referring to the followup post about why I thought sqrt was scummy based on his timestamp, and I apologize for confusing fking everyone, including myself apparently. I thought the fifth point was why I thought sqrt was scummy based on that one post and the timing of it. how to misread (spaces between bullets or numbers pls because i cannae read gud). As for this in particular, I interpreted Eden's statement on mafia posting early reads list on Day 1 as basically stating that it isn't the time and place for such reads (and ultimately such fail bait attempt). His main argument was that my view of Valenius and Pixalated was too solid, both of which were my unsubtle scumbait attempts. At that point, I (think) I figured: whelp, no one's going to fall for those now, and I may as well give it up. I understand that this looks horrendous, but eh. Additionally Pixalated, is there anything else you have to say? Do you have any reads? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
sqrtofneg1 (2) - OnceKing (0) - IAmRobik (0) - Cavalinho (3) - Eden1892 (1) - Cavalinho Lord Tolkien(2) - Eden1892, OnceKing Not Voting (1) - IAmRobik Currently Cavalinho is set to be lynched! Day ends at Thursday, Mar 27 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), . | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 27 2014 08:51 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll post mpre when I have a computer, but. I kinda want to vote for myself just to spite you and see what happens when I flip green. Pixalated what is your yake on all this. Oh yeah, cut your nose off, that'll show your face who's boss. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/dick_schittlippz/chad-ochocinco-child-please_zps3ba0bc77.jpg) | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I think Cavalinho isn't mafia at the moment. Looks like Tolkien/Valenius. The push on sqrt didn't begin in earnest until I started pushing hard on Tolkien. I'll revisit this should either of my suspects flip town, but I'm definitely thinking Tolkien and probably thinking Valenius for his scum partner. Additionally this is telling: On March 27 2014 06:45 Lord Tolkien wrote: Currently, it seems myself and Cavalinho are the likely lynch targets thus far, and I would submit sqrt as another. Let's keep the votes within this group unless something major comes up. If Tolkien is mafia then I'm nearly positive both Cavalinho and sqrt are both mafia. I can't think of any good reason why a mafia player would say "Okay guys, let's make sure we kill one of these three guys" and include his teammate as one of the three. Question time: Pixalated: Which of Tolkien or Cavalinho do you think is more scummy and why? RolandJarvis: Need you to weigh in on Tolkien, Cavalinho, Valenius and sqrt and tell me what you think of their votes for one another and interactions. sqrtofneg1: Why is your vote on Cavalinho again? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
**nearly positive that both Cavalinho and sqrt are town | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
On March 27 2014 13:11 Eden1892 wrote: hurp derp a durp herp hep C **nearly positive that both Cavalinho and sqrt are town I can follow this reasoning as well as the above post you mentioned. Though sqrt really needs to stop voting me because that's kind of derp. But we've already went over that. ##Unvote ##Vote LT | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
Though I don't really like your read on sqrt, I think that this is a good lynch for today. Well, it's not even your read, it's like the reasoning for the read. You seem to have issues with almost everything that can be regarded as poor play...But you townread sqrt for it. The reasoning makes sense, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the rest of what you were pushing throughout today. How strong would you say that read is, and if LT flips town, how would that mar and change the rest of your reads, barring night chat? | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
Initially I thought he was quantifying some valid concerns about my "Lynch all Lurkers" policy. However on closer inspection the question he asked me was really pointless -- it was a closed question with an obvious answer he even implied in his post. Everything else is more or less fine until he makes his big post here of reads, except all he really did with it was make a glorified summary of what's happened in the game so far and echoed popular opinions. Let's break it down: OnceKing's initial policy post has come under some flak, seemingly because people don't see the point of it. In my view, it's setting out early what will happen if the day phase goes to shit and it's as split as the last two games. The last two games have been horrific day one's, with a spread vote count across all of the players and as is rightly pointed out by Robik a few pages on; We need to consolidate votes to stop that situation happening again. If it got to a split vote situation, it's much easier for mafia to be the one's controlling who's voted off the first day, either through sheeping onto votes or even just sitting back if town is heading wrong. In theory, in a split situation moving across onto a lurker, or non-contributer would help town in 1) more contribution and 2) lack of split votes. Nexxxt: His earlier vote on Robik seems like just pushing to me, there's not much behind it and robik's too strong to feel flustered by that shit. Words, words, words. And really what does this entire paragraph give us? "Robik's right, we should consolidate our votes". And even though he says that he doesn't want to give the mafia control of the votes, he still refused to vote for a long time until someone else had voted for his target (sqrt, who LT voted for). Why do this if you're so suspicious of him? He was even Valenius's top scum read later in the post: Quick totem pole. top doesn't mean i think he's confirmed scum, just highest on my list as it stands. Sqrt Cavalinho Pixelated Lord Tolkien OnceKing Robik Idk where roland / eden fit into that yet. He posts another massive spiel on Lord Tolkien that boils down to "what he did was bad" and yet mysteriously has no read on him. Robik gets the same treatment as I did: Valenius parrots the consensus in the thread about these players that Robik's being pushy and town. Now here's an important part: Sqrt. -snip- "Robik's playing aggressive, as he normally does. He's been pressuring pretty much everybody, as a town should do. The one thing that I don't like is that he got a town read on my on joke posts before the game. that's strange. I read town." It's not a strange read at all, it's pretty much in line with everything else that's been said about lurkers and mafia. It's also another one of those circular fucking logic's.. "If i post lots at the start, it'll make me not look like mafia, but then they might think that, so what if i dont post, but then that makes me more of a lurker, so i'll post..etc etc..". It's a decent read in a newbie game, but if you have any idea what you're doing it's not a unthinkable play for you to make. More than anything, you're jumping on with other people's reads without giving reasoning other than agreeing with their posts. Give some actual thought out reasons. For now, you're towards the top of my scummy totem pole. "Comes in, makes reads, avoids question. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cavalinho" In that one post by Cavalinho, he's provided 5x much more than you have so far. Here Valenius criticizes Sqrt's assessment of Robik by saying that it's not a strange read at all but then ends up contradicting it and saying the opposite as well as introduce doubt into it by saying it's WIFOM (which is quite a stretch!). Then, irony of ironies, he attacks Sqrt for not saying original things with something I already said! And finally, I disagree very much with his implication that the Sqrt post he quotes is scummy -- I actually read it incredibly town. He cites his reason for suspicion as a lack of contribution but in fact Sqrt's post is very concise and clear, providing a huge amount of information about his motivations. Then he refuses to vote for a while on the grounds that his vote would be wasteful which is wrong again. Votes are the town's most powerful tool and indicate purpose. Valenius proceeds to try to nudge people into voting for Sqrt again and after one person does so he finally feels safe to act upon what he was saying the whole time and put down a vote. Altogether Valenius's filter smacks of fear and unwillingness to stick his head out. Valenius is scum. ##UNVOTE VOTE: Valenius -- Other comments: LT - I'm not done with you yet. You've basically just admitted that you're not being helpful at all towards the town by saying you have no idea what you were writing, then upon saying that you still didn't write anything. My analysis of Valenius has him over you but at this point I certainly don't mind you getting lynched either. Robik - vote?? | ||
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