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On March 27 2014 14:17 Cavalinho wrote:
Well, it's not even your read, it's like the reasoning for the read. You seem to have issues with almost everything that can be regarded as poor play...But you townread sqrt for it. The reasoning makes sense, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the rest of what you were pushing throughout today. How strong would you say that read is, and if LT flips town, how would that mar and change the rest of your reads, barring night chat?
There's a difference between "poor play" and "scum play," though they often correlate. My townread on him isn't for poor play, it's because my scumreads are blatantly trying to push him as the lynch. So it's certainly weak. No comment on "if LT flips town" because I'm still working out the practical ramifications of that, I'll cross that bridge if we get there.
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OnceKing makes a pretty good case on Valenius there. I want Tolkien more and we need to consolidate the wagons before the end of the day, but if Valenius goes over Tolkien that's not going to bother me much.
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I have read all the posts since I left, although without taking detailed notes this time. I have a mental image of each of you now so hopefully I can read quicker.
I also read day 1 of the game LII.
My snap reactions:
I had trouble following the Lord Tolkien "trap" incident. This is obviously a big deal so I'll look at it in some detail. My gut says Lord Tolkien is town. He has taken the heat in stride and is able to talk about multiple topics in detail simultaneously. He had one throw away line at the end of a post that reads very town to me when he said keep the wagons to {Lord Tolkien, Lord Tolkien's top scum read, Cavalinho - the other big wagon}. People reacting with "why would he do that as mafia, what does that make the other 2?": I think the simpler explanation is he thinks having defined wagons early is important for the town.
In the previously low content set, Valenius appeared and left me with good feelings. I know his big post got some negative reviews.
The other previously low content poster sqrtofneg1 failed to make any impression as I read linearly. That's a bad sign. After I iso I'll see if it's careless reading by me or scummyness by him.
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I found the other game quite helpful. Here's the iso for Cavalinho: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Cavalinho
Similar to this game, Cavalinho was a day 1 wagon. In fact he was the day 1 lynch. That's about where the similarities end. Notice how in that game, Cavalinho has confident opinions about lots of topics from the beginning to the end. He has constructive discussions. When the pressure comes he keeps his cool for a long time, but then he eventually snaps and goes hard at his attacker with OMGUS. Except he immediately backs off, clears his attacker, and puts his vote on his preferred wagon and pushes it hard. He announces he's unwilling to change for self-preservation.
Contrast to this game: It's like Cavalinho is only talking to eden. The confidence is gone. His focus has gone from wide to narrow. I think (need to confirm) his reads changed in convenient ways. It's like he's a totally different player!
So yeah, I still think Cavalinho is mafia and Cabalinho is the best lynch today.
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There were some posts saying... hey that's too many votes on Cavalinho! nobody is defending Cavalinho! ...therefore Cavalinho is probably town.
I strongly, strongly disagree with this logic.
Another contrast with his previous game is Cavalinho had defenders on day 1 of the previous game and has no defenders this game. theDragoon (a mafia) had a strong town read on Cavalinho. When a town is wagoned it's so hard for at least one mafia to resist defending them. They get credibility from being right that they can spend later.
"Don't catch a falling knife"
I want you to imagine you are a mafia this game and Cavalinho is your partner. Eden and Roland are gunning for Cavalinho. They make substantial cases. They have lots of people calling them town. Cavalinho has a good chance of being lynched. You are going to defend Cavalinho? Really? Like say you think his posts make him town? I don't believe that*.
If you are mafia and Cavalinho is your partner you can't defend him. Certainly not when he was the only wagon.
* Not that it's physically impossible for that to happen, just that it's very improbable and the assumption of the posts I'm arguing against is that mafia would most likely defend their partner when he's a runaway day 1 wagon.
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I'm out for a bit. When I return after my pending items hopefully I'll be able to interact with some of y'all.
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On March 27 2014 22:39 RolandJarvis wrote:
There were some posts saying... hey that's too many votes on Cavalinho! nobody is defending Cavalinho! ...therefore Cavalinho is probably town.
I strongly, strongly disagree with this logic.
Another contrast with his previous game is Cavalinho had defenders on day 1 of the previous game and has no defenders this game. theDragoon (a mafia) had a strong town read on Cavalinho. When a town is wagoned it's so hard for at least one mafia to resist defending them. They get credibility from being right that they can spend later.
"Don't catch a falling knife"
I want you to imagine you are a mafia this game and Cavalinho is your partner. Eden and Roland are gunning for Cavalinho. They make substantial cases. They have lots of people calling them town. Cavalinho has a good chance of being lynched. You are going to defend Cavalinho? Really? Like say you think his posts make him town? I don't believe that*.
If you are mafia and Cavalinho is your partner you can't defend him. Certainly not when he was the only wagon.
* Not that it's physically impossible for that to happen, just that it's very improbable and the assumption of the posts I'm arguing against is that mafia would most likely defend their partner when he's a runaway day 1 wagon.
Hah, I'm going the exact opposite way you are on this. I think it's comparatively rare that mafia try to defuse a town wagon. They're typically okay with letting it roll in my experience. And I don't expect hypo mafia!Cavalinho's partner to outright try to defuse his wagon; typically only town outright defend a mafia being wagon'd, but I would totally expect people to be pushing alternative cases. Seems like until just recently, this wasn't really happening; people were coming up with alternative cases (Tolkien, sqrt, recently Valenius), but at the same time it was kinda understood that Cavalinho was a caught mafia.
Everything you said makes sense, but I think you can realistically go in the opposite direction and also make sense. (This is why we typically just say "it's WIFOM" in this case.)
Regarding Cavalinho himself I don't really see where he's been all that different, looking at his filters from LII and LIV. I didn't really see him engaging people all that much in LII. Granted I probably need to reread his filter to see, it was kind of a quick skim. I'd be okay with Cavalinho tomorrow maybe but all of my plausible scumteams involve Lord Tolkien so I'm sticking with him.
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On March 27 2014 22:39 RolandJarvis wrote:
There were some posts saying... hey that's too many votes on Cavalinho! nobody is defending Cavalinho! ...therefore Cavalinho is probably town.
I strongly, strongly disagree with this logic.
Another contrast with his previous game is Cavalinho had defenders on day 1 of the previous game and has no defenders this game. theDragoon (a mafia) had a strong town read on Cavalinho. When a town is wagoned it's so hard for at least one mafia to resist defending them. They get credibility from being right that they can spend later.
"Don't catch a falling knife"
I want you to imagine you are a mafia this game and Cavalinho is your partner. Eden and Roland are gunning for Cavalinho. They make substantial cases. They have lots of people calling them town. Cavalinho has a good chance of being lynched. You are going to defend Cavalinho? Really? Like say you think his posts make him town? I don't believe that*.
If you are mafia and Cavalinho is your partner you can't defend him. Certainly not when he was the only wagon.
* Not that it's physically impossible for that to happen, just that it's very improbable and the assumption of the posts I'm arguing against is that mafia would most likely defend their partner when he's a runaway day 1 wagon.
I feel like I may be to blame for the quick push away from Cavalinho as I inserted that seed of doubt regarding the quick formation of that wagon and the lack of opposition to it. I think that the trio of Cavalinho, LT and OK contain both mafia, although OKs post are growing on me as the game has progressed (specifically his last post where he outlines why he thinks Valenius is mafia -- a sentiment I disagree with).
Also, everyone calling for me to vote. Chill out. We still have 8hrs in the day. I'm not sure what me voting now versus later will achieve. As long as we are lynching between Cav and LT, I'm happy throwing my vote down on either one of them by the end of the day. Let's just make sure that AT LEAST one of them is a wagon for today.
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Don't have much time to talk today before the Day ends, I'll try and post via phone later.
1) OK, while your post has made me re-evaluate Valenius and particularly my town read on that post (I'll try and review his filter if I have time and post about it), but at this stage it's probably a better Day 2 lynch to pursue. There is probably not enough time to get a wagon behind him at this point, so I would recommend focusing on myself and Cavalinho for a wagon.
2) I want Pixalated to post some of his reads when he wakes up. I only just noticed his sleep post.
3) I still don't like sqrt and I don't know why Eden is clearing him as town. If we were ignoring that I, Cavalinho, and Valenius apparently all have scumreads or scummy reads on him (there probably is one scum among us, TBH)
4) I'm incredulous that Eden has been trying to say that he hasn't planned out what happens if I'm green (and we'll cross that bridge when we get there), when he already decided to talk about what happens if when I flip red. First let's get through Day 1, before constructing scenarios of who's mafia partner with who, because it's all idle speculation until we get a flip. But whatever, I'm done dealing with his shit. Some of it's really just skirting the line of what's acceptable.
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*point 3) is unfinished
would he be ringing alarm bells here? I understand the concern here if scum is pushing him, but I still don't like him.
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yo, my sleep post was like really long ago and before I asked you another question. This is so many mistakes that you have made in reading the game... please step it up if you are town, because that's what im leaning on the moment. More elaboration on my thought process soon.
I haven't posted much today since some unexpected stuff came up, and I haven't had the time to follow the thread/post (only skimmed through). Reading it now of course.
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EBWOP: reading the game refers to him reading what people are saying, not his reads on others
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I believe that LT's trap is actually legitimate despite how bad it looks initially.
The first point that supports this is the trap itself + Show Spoiler +I still need to read the LIII mafia game thoroughly. However.
OnceKing sounds town as all fk. I was originally suspicious of his initial "serious" post due to OK's early Day 1 behavior versus early Day 1 LII newbie mafia game and was going to comment on it, but I re-read the old thread and reversed my initial opinion on it (originally thought it was inconsistent, but I reread his case on Amiko and it didn't mention the lurker lynch policy). He's been pushing town towards active discussion since then, asking for reads, and generally steering conversation towards positive goals, so he's establishing himself as town thus far.
IAmRobik also feels town to me, though I still question why he feels OK's post is out of place given the context (unless it was scumbait, that was my first thought). The post is still useful pressure and discussion for town, though, and there is no reason for scum to be so forward, so early on in the day, especially with the possible game-states (no godfather game-state). And his posts subsequent read fairly town.
Valenius is super town in my eyes, he's cleared for me.
Pixelated is neutral or slightly scummy to me.
Eden feels even more town for me. He's actively pushing the Cavalinho case and scumhunting aggressively in Day 1, while being the most active contributor to the thread thus far. Clearest town poster in my mind, as he's giving reasoned arguments here.
Cavalinho sounds...well, aggressive in all his posts. And he's OMGUSing without presenting a case, period. But given his past game behavior, he also does this when he's town so I'm not sure if my scrumread on him is wrong. Like, this is almost a repeat of LII Day 1 in terms of the Cavalinho lynch progression, however without any substance from him. I'm leaving him as possible scum atm tho I'm confused by it. Maybe the most scummiest read I have, even his past town play aside. Like
I'll answer your question when you answer mine.
and
No, I simply felt like you were dodging the question.
should mark him as clear scum, but...might just be his playstyle.
I also happen to think his OMGUS vote is him trying to look innocent because he's aware of his meta (not the post beforehand he noted that Robik townread him in a previous game because he OMGUS'd then), but that can go either way. What's telling is that he fails to develop his vote, he just puts it down and insists it'll be me or him today. That's dumb and not what a town player should be doing.
This is actually a strong analysis of what I was trying to say.
You know what, Cavalinho isn't angry and pissed off enough to have the righteous indignation like his LII newbie game, nor still tries to contribute. Or hell, contribute an actual case for his OMGUSing.
sqrtofneg1 has thus far been fairly disconcerting to me. I indulged him with the Hearthstone convo, and I think that's irrelevant to the thread thus far. It was a fair shot at getting something going, if inflating his filter/post. After the first actual serious post to pop up Day 1 (the OK policy lynch), he posted this
Fun fact: I've been mafia once, only once, in my fair amount of irl games.
and didn't respond to the looming topic at hand, then had a sleep post. Like, its non-contributive lurking at best. There was definitely things available to comment on at the time of his sleep post. Hell, by the time of that post, IAmRobik had already made his wtf post about OnceKing's lynch policy post. It piggybacks off IAmRobik's joke posts, but he at least follows up with substance after there's clearly something to respond to. He still has time to become an active contributor, but seems to be a scum lurker to me. Probably my primary lynch target today because I'm still fking confused by the signals given off by Cavalinho's playstyle and posting patterns.
On March 26 2014 13:31 IAmRobik wrote:
RE: Sqrt
In what world does a mafia come into the game and start talking to himself for 10 posts? Mafia has all the reason in the world to sit back and not do shit and contribute when something is happening and then push some random town who is on the chopping blocks. I don't give a damn if it was 10 posts of filler about how he's doing today and how his HS run was going.
The exact same reason you were pushing on OK for: because it's good to make the appearance of contribution. idgaf about the HS posts too much, but the fact he continued the joke posting and made a sleep post before contributing anything useful makes me unhappy.
Quick point to RolandJarvis before the plunge, that was a continued joke post. I was jokingly referencing the LII newbie game where I was OMGUSing OK hard for focusing on me Day 1 (mostly for some inconsistencies in his case). Posted that and the correction right as OK was posting the policy lynch post (note the policy lynch post being nestled between that post and the edit), which is the first serious post of the game, which should have been a clue. I'm overall happy with your contribution, however, and I would recommend you read the LII newbie game, since quite a few of the players here were in that game (and should give you a general idea of our playstyles as town (I think all of us present played as town that game), so you can get a feel for us. You voiced the concern about OK only voicing his read on IAmRobik, but his playstyle is (at least, going off his LII and stated gameplay) to only give his strongest reads. So this isn't inconsistent or scummy for me, just how he plays. Just like how Cavalinho still confuses the fk out of me.
Or you might have and the mistaken use of punctuation in the post confused you.
Overall, I'm quite happy with the way this thread activity has been. no ded gaem
Also, my sleep schedule is fked up, so I may be responding at odd times such as this.
Looking at the reads, what one will immediately notice is that his read on me and val are really, really different from the rest. The rest he gives some reasons, whilst mine and val's are simple one liners. This is to me an indication that this is at least planned, because I really don't think mafia will craft a reads list and not put in effort to classify two people for no reason at all, especially since I did have some posts (enough to comment on imo). He has also explained and given his rationale for all 5 of eden's points, and I do feel that they do make sense.
Point (1) is okay in my opinion.
Point (2) I agree that the entire thing is a retarded trap, and I don't agree with it. Problem is - why would he do such a thing when he knows (or at least ought to) that it would bring alot of attention? (Lying will catch attention and openly admitting to doing so is thus bad for scum to do since it brings the spotlight onto them) On the other hand, bad townie might be a plausible explanation for the derp.
Point (3) I really don't agree with Eden on this one, I think that LT's explanation is clear enough. My statement can be inferred as a null read, which I feel is valid enough.
Point (4) Could be townie being derp. Again I don't see why mafia will want to bring uneccessary attention to himself.
Point (5) He took a really long time to answer this one, and his excuse was that he derped and saw the question wrongly. How he does that I really question, but I feel this adds to the possibility to him being a townie. Why? This is because mafia when under pressure will undoubtedly be much more frantic, and is more likely to re read and ensure that their counter agurements make sense, and that it answers any doubts that town will have. (Unless of course they can give no logical explanation - but LT gave one in the end. (sort of))
The main crux of my agurement towards him being town is this - The original structure of the trap seems to me that it was planned, and I think he has done a decent job explaining his motivations for doing so. Basically, I feel that the scumbait, however bad and poorly planned it was, is legit. Sure, there are some holes, but oftentimes I feel townies will make logical errors as well. This is why I rather not go for a LT lynch today, because this play doesn't make any sense as scum. Sure, it could all be an act as bad townie to appear innocent, but I don't think that he will make such a play considering how high risk it is.
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I still need to do more reading before I come to a conclusion on who I want to lynch for today. Will follow up with more later.
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Robik: I really want to hear your thoughts. I'm not sure if I can stay till lynch time since thats really late (6am) for me (its already quite late now and im quite tired). Do you think my opinions on LT make sense?
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Robik, vote. Yes, we have time left. I don't care. You should have enough to put your vote down.
Tolkien, some thoughts on your points:
1) What happened to sqrt as a wagon? I thought he was your main suspect?
2) I'm not clearing sqrt... I don't know why my scum reads keep saying this. Actually I guess that answers the question! But in any case I've said repeatedly that I only think he's town because my scum reads are all pushing him and he looks like an easy lynch for scum to push. I see wolves circling a lamb and of course I'm skeptical. But on sqrt's own merits he hasn't done anything to clear himself.
3) Haha bullshit, "toeing the line of what's acceptable" my ass. Every plausible scenario I have involves you being scum. Why would I entertain what I consider highly implausible scenarios right now? It's a waste of energy. If you flip town then great, I'll figure it out day 2. But you can stop this pansy-ass "toeing the line of what's acceptable" shit. Man up and say what you're going to say, don't be a little beta bitch and hide behind insinuations and implications.
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Okay, I'm probably not going to be around at deadline. Can we possibly coalesce on someone soon that preferably isn't me?
Like...I don't see what makes me a "caught mafia." At all.
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Cav opinions on my read on LT?
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So, I don't remember discussing pixalated at all, so I decided I'm gonna read his filter.
This makes me think that pixalated will be bringing up how he perceives people would play based off of the previous newbie game. Will keep reading his filter and see if he brings any of this up:
On March 25 2014 15:58 Pixalated wrote:
Sup guys, first game here.
I did read through a couple of games though (including the previous newbie which some of you played in!) so I should (hopefully) know what I'm doing haha
Pixalated makes a reasonable point here, but he doesn't really take a stance on OK. He's very wishy washy with his "conclusion":
On March 26 2014 13:02 Pixalated wrote:
I don't see any problem with onceking talking about policy. The thread before he came in was all empty and fluff with people talking about hearthstone and whatnot. He pushed the conversation to something that has some relevance to the game. Sure, talking about policy is a good way for scum to 'contribute' without actually doing much, but it's still better than talking about hearthstone.
I guess I can see how Pixalated would perceive Valenius's post this way, but as I explained, it had to do with the way that he approached OK's lynch all lurkers sentiments. Maybe I was just tunnely regarding OK earlier which was what made me think that this post was towny. But Valenius makes a long post later which I found town, so I'm cool with him anyway:
On March 26 2014 13:08 Pixalated wrote:
I also don't see why you think Val is town just because he asked onceking to clarify his shit. It was a pretty useless question, it's easy to understand what onceking wanted to achieve with that post - create the atmosphere that no one can lurk and has to post.
But instead all he does is make a rather long post asking about potential situations blabla... When I think that it's pretty clear - if we have a solid read we lynch it, if not we lynch a lurker. Seems like he's trying to be helpful without actually being helpful.
I like that he takes a stance on me here. It's perfectly fine for him to not like me, especially if he thinks that OK is leading town in the right direction...having said that, it's kinda weird too, because he said earlier that it's easy to look like you're contributing without actually contributing if you're talkinga bout policy...so maybe he doesn't exactly agree with OK? idk:
On March 26 2014 13:47 Pixalated wrote:
I don't like how he cleared both sqrt and val. Already explained why I don't feel that Val's questions make him town, and sqrt posting random stuff doesn't mean much.
What this means about his alignment I'm not sure. Could be mafia trying to get cred by claiming that people are townie and having 'right' reads when they flip.
Pixalated definitely taking stances on people. If LT is mafia, pixalated is almost certainly town for this post:
On March 26 2014 20:23 Pixalated wrote:
Hey Tolkien, how is Val 'super town in my eyes, he's cleared for me.' He has posted like one post that isn't fluff, and you clear him based off just that? Is that because everyone here is reading him as town for some reason? (I don't see why but okay)
I agree with Eden's post about him. Furthermore from what I remember from reading his previous game (the one he mentioned) he was ALOT more active as compared to this. I will go take a peek at his filter there in abit.
@Tolkien Why am I neutral/slightly scummy? Elaborate please.
Cavalinho doesn't look too good as well.
This is really weird for me. Pixalated casually mentions a scum read on Cavalinho a couple posts earlier, but his main focus is LT. He then makes another 2 posts that have somethign to do with LT and then boom, he votes for Cavalinho, sheeping Eden:
On March 26 2014 20:41 Pixalated wrote:By the way ##Vote: CavalinhoI agree with Eden's post here + Show Spoiler +OK town, so Cavalinho is either terrible at reading comprehension or trying to distort what I'm saying. Let's review.
Again it's not that he said OnceKing's start was weird, it's that he didn't do anything to figure out why it was weird or tell us how it was weird. He asked OK why OK made a post about policy lynching lurkers, OK said it was to get the town out of RVS. That's not weird. Cavalinho didn't bother to respond to him and then kept repeating himself about how weird it was. No explanation as to why or how that's weird, no attempt to develop OK's response, nothing.
His questions didn't have any apparent direction or purpose to them. He asked OK why OK made the post, OK gave a good answer aaaand... Cavalinho drops it like a hot potato. No follow up? Nothing? Why are we supposed to be convinced that OK is weird or scum or whatever when you're just asking questions to ask them and not developing any insights from them? He asserts that he was asking questions because he didn't understand what was going on, but you'll notice that he doesn't acknowledge OK's answer at all. Instead he starts playing reactively, answering OK's questions and then dropping the line of discussion. That's not what people do when they're trying to understand what's going on. He vaguely talks around the issue right before I prodded him, saying that he thinks OK's start was still weird, but that he "[doesn't] have any real reason to think [OK] is mafia" because of his "last accusatory post" (what post is this?) and he "seems townie, getting information and generally being one of those obvious town players" (this doesn't actually say anything about why he doesn't think OK is mafia; we know that he wouldn't think that because he thinks OK seems town, why does he?)
I also happen to think his OMGUS vote is him trying to look innocent because he's aware of his meta (not the post beforehand he noted that Robik townread him in a previous game because he OMGUS'd then), but that can go either way. What's telling is that he fails to develop his vote, he just puts it down and insists it'll be me or him today. That's dumb and not what a town player should be doing.
Cavalinho is my best read for mafia right now. and I think it sums up very nicely.
So, I think he's letting LT off the hook really quickly here. Nothing that LT said has really answered Pixalated's questions, and if it has, it's as if Pixalated just takes his word for it at face value. I retract my earlier statement that they can't be mafia together.
On March 26 2014 21:53 Pixalated wrote:
Still prefer a Cav lynch.
I can see what LT means by me posting that on sqrt can constitute as a null read. In fact it matches since his next line is how my points were similar to those already in the thread, and my original point was indeed something that wasn't exactly fresh (Onceking said the same thing) whilst sqrt being a little suspicious (what I said later) wasn't mentioned by anyone else if I recall correctly.
The trap thing is still really bad though, and I agree its really suspicious on how fast he revealed it with only me and you pushing him for it so far. Still it sort of makes sense as town to cut his losses on a bad decision, since I believe it would probably have flowed into cav and sqrt simply ignoring his question, and they wouldn't sheep someone under fire. Still a really bad trap of course, but I can sort of see this as really bad town play. I like your point about the time gap between the 'bait' and 'trap' though, and I think thats my biggest gripe with the entire trap thing.
I think he agured the point that I brought up about the contradiction I pointed out pretty well, makes sense.
Cav on the other hand hasn't done much to redeem himself, and I would like to see more from him. (specifically a GOOD explanation on why he found OK's initial post weird)
I expect him to follow up on this. Will see if he does (same goes for bringing up the previous newbie game, which I haven't seen him do yet)
On March 27 2014 01:19 Pixalated wrote:
I need to sleep so ill be going off.
I want to see val and sqrt post more. It has been 18 hours and they haven't done anything of note. Val promised to post something earlier, so I expect to see something when I wake up.
I guess it's a bit hypocritical of me to bring this up, but from everything Pixalated is writing it seems that LT is his biggest scum read (his personal biggest scum read, not the one he sheeped off of Eden), but he refuses to vote him:
On March 27 2014 09:37 Pixalated wrote:Show nested quote +- The slip in the followup post. I never said anything about whether this is the right or wrong day. Looks to me like lies are piling up on top of lies here. Why are you dodging answering this? Context: this is point 5 of eden's agurement. Here's your answer to it: Show nested quote +5) You just made a case about my second post being 20 minutes following up my first post. sqrt had 3 and 1/2 hours since VALENIUS posted his question to OK, and 15 minutes to Robik's WTF to OK's post, and had time to make a joke post referencing Robik joking about never being mafia on TL. Perhaps it's just me, but I really dislike that.
Conclusions: Pixalated might be scum here. He kinda takes stances on people, but he keeps flipping back and forth. It seems throughout the day that LT is his biggest scum read, but he ends up just sheeping Eden regarding Cav. He keeps pressuring LT but never ends up voting him.
Another thing that he does, is make statements like "valeniusa nd sqrt need to post more" and "i read the previous game, but he does nothing with those. He doesn't pressure valenius or sqrt to post more, he doesn't call them out for it again, even though they posted a bit after I guess. But like, I'd expect something along the lines of "hey, so and so posted more, and I guess I like what he's said so I'm gonna lean town on him" or something like that, but he doesn't do it. He also doesn't make inferences from the previous game, which I'd assume he's make if he read it. This makes me think that at times he's just posting for the sake of posting.
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On March 28 2014 00:53 Cavalinho wrote:
Okay, I'm probably not going to be around at deadline. Can we possibly coalesce on someone soon that preferably isn't me?
Like...I don't see what makes me a "caught mafia." At all.
That was past tense... I'm more certain you're town than I am of Valenius and Tolkien.
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