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On March 19 2014 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:10 Holyflare wrote: Rayn i thought your case on coag was blown way out of proportion for something so little and coag got mad because of it, i thought he looked worse because of the mad but i wouldn't leap to scum and i haven't really played games with coag to say it was town either
I didn't like dp for his change of stance on coag though from liking that post to going completely scummy on it and then ignoring stuff coag was saying to then goving coag an out Now this is the point and this is a perfectly valid stance. Calling him town is not a valid stance at that time. well koshi had the same stance as me?
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On March 19 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:10 Holyflare wrote: Rayn i thought your case on coag was blown way out of proportion for something so little and coag got mad because of it, i thought he looked worse because of the mad but i wouldn't leap to scum and i haven't really played games with coag to say it was town either
I didn't like dp for his change of stance on coag though from liking that post to going completely scummy on it and then ignoring stuff coag was saying to then goving coag an out Now this is the point and this is a perfectly valid stance. Calling him town is not a valid stance at that time. well koshi had the same stance as me? No he did not. He said Coag is town, it's not what you said.
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Actually Holyflare's case on Hopeless is really good. I think Hopeless is mafia. He in fact DID reference to the scooby-doo game where Holyflare was town, he used the exact wording so he has read the game. Then he gives another example fully knowing Holyflare has done the same thing as both alignments and therefore his "case" (or accusation, i don't even know what the hell that is) is an outright lie. Hopeless is mafia, Holyflare is town. I have no fucking idea why DarthPunk does not get that. I also don't get why he is fixated in me/Coag thing. There is nothing to say about it and Holyflare apparently does not think either of us is mafia because he has not brought that up. DP thinks both of us are town, why the fuck does he want to question anyone about it? Maybe he is scum.
Hopeless says this: Show nested quote +- waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town This is complete bullshit. Absolutely terrible logic. I am either town in which case you should not lynch me or i am scum in which case you should lynch me. This is "if this happens then X if not then Y", not a read. That dude is mafia. thrawn looks much better for pointing this out. Especially this line from Hopeless: Second time his story does not match with what he said earlier. Earlier he clearly said "otherwise he's likely town", and when thrawn points out the "conditional crap" (i loved that thrawn) he suddenly does not have a read any more, which is contradictory to what he said before. Lynch with fire. Mafia.
Rayn assert's I have flat out lied. You are free to draw a conclusion Palmar.
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On March 19 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi show me those posts where you tell why Coag is town. Maybe i am missing something because i can't find it in your filter. It was not that Coag is town. But that you were painting him too red for something that wasn't extremely bad in my eyes. I also wanted you to look at other people and not spend all time on Coag. It wasn't doing the town atmosphere any favors. Looking back at my filter I was pretty protective about Coag from the get go but like I said, I am talented.
On March 19 2014 08:28 Koshi wrote: I need better punctuation sometimes. Point is: Coag typed stuff to type stuff. Even though it was disruptive, it was not scummy.
On March 19 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote: Well, it is a bit over the top. But faking anger (or showing it) works as town on TL. I did it in survivor because I knew it would get the pressure off me and as town that is also important. The difference here being that it is really early in the game but still.
I am not sold on coag scum atm at all.
On March 19 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: Exactly my thoughts.
I am not skimming rayn atm cuz he is rayn and I need to keep up with him cuz we will be super duper scumfinding bros but I am not anymore interested in finding out what Coag means with his posts. I am simply not going to lynch Coag. Rayn is MY super townie friend tho.... Jelly. But yeah. I don't understand how you could NOT want to lynch coag after all this nonsense. Ragin is not a good reason and he has been bullshitting continuously since the initial pressure. This is how Koshi looks at Coag Coag post seal (cool he is town) ---> Coag is superactive (cool now he is even more likely town) ---> Coag posts something lets-call-it-silly (w.e) ----> rayn goes ham (ok let's support rayn and see if Coag responds properly) ---> Caog responds quite rage likely (I am back ok with Coag) ---> 120 posts related to coag that are hard to read (fuck this shit, I am not lynching Coag)
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On March 19 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi show me those posts where you tell why Coag is town. Maybe i am missing something because i can't find it in your filter. It was not that Coag is town. But that you were painting him too red for something that wasn't extremely bad in my eyes. I also wanted you to look at other people and not spend all time on Coag. It wasn't doing the town atmosphere any favors. Looking back at my filter I was pretty protective about Coag from the get go but like I said, I am talented. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:28 Koshi wrote: I need better punctuation sometimes. Point is: Coag typed stuff to type stuff. Even though it was disruptive, it was not scummy. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote: Well, it is a bit over the top. But faking anger (or showing it) works as town on TL. I did it in survivor because I knew it would get the pressure off me and as town that is also important. The difference here being that it is really early in the game but still.
I am not sold on coag scum atm at all. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: Exactly my thoughts.
I am not skimming rayn atm cuz he is rayn and I need to keep up with him cuz we will be super duper scumfinding bros but I am not anymore interested in finding out what Coag means with his posts. I am simply not going to lynch Coag. Rayn is MY super townie friend tho.... Jelly. But yeah. I don't understand how you could NOT want to lynch coag after all this nonsense. Ragin is not a good reason and he has been bullshitting continuously since the initial pressure. This is how Koshi looks at Coag Coag post seal (cool he is town) ---> Coag is superactive (cool now he is even more likely town) ---> Coag posts something lets-call-it-silly (w.e) ----> rayn goes ham (ok let's support rayn and see if Coag responds properly) ---> Caog responds quite rage likely (I am back ok with Coag) ---> 120 posts related to coag that are hard to read (fuck this shit, I am not lynching Coag) Now this is interesting considering this:
On March 19 2014 22:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time? I should. Because I am smart & talented. It was obvious to me he was town. I told you why a couple times but you wouldn't listen. So pls don't tell me I didn't told you why you should have stopped the tunnel. I did so in 3 different posts. Care to explain how the green and red go together?
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On March 19 2014 22:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote: The only thing odd about koshi is when he said coag wasn't overdefending but agreed when coag said dp was overdefending for a lot less What do you conclude about that? Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that. Talk about thrawn please How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets. Should we lynch thrawn for it?
I want to discuss him and it's nothing to do with association it's reads that don't add up with motives:
Says me and dp are town but wary that one of us is full of crap - gives himself a scum on one clause
Says i could be scum because of fluff related to dp but ignores everything else
Says dp could be scum because of x, y, z, a, b, c but the doesn't poe dp after saying all the things I've pointed out about dp.
Either he agrees with me in which case i shouldn't be poe'd because he's sheeping me or he disagrees with me and i shouldn't be poe'd because he said I'm probably town
It's a fault of mindset
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You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi.
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On March 19 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi. he was constantly explaining why coag was not scum. In light of the fact that there are only two alignments in the game, a binary function of notscum=town should apply.
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On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote: HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff ↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.
I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment
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On March 19 2014 22:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi. he was constantly explaining why coag was not scum. In light of the fact that there are only two alignments in the game, a binary function of notscum=town should apply. Show me one legit reason from Koshi's posts that can be considered as a towntell.
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On March 19 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi show me those posts where you tell why Coag is town. Maybe i am missing something because i can't find it in your filter. It was not that Coag is town. But that you were painting him too red for something that wasn't extremely bad in my eyes. I also wanted you to look at other people and not spend all time on Coag. It wasn't doing the town atmosphere any favors. Looking back at my filter I was pretty protective about Coag from the get go but like I said, I am talented. On March 19 2014 08:28 Koshi wrote: I need better punctuation sometimes. Point is: Coag typed stuff to type stuff. Even though it was disruptive, it was not scummy. On March 19 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote: Well, it is a bit over the top. But faking anger (or showing it) works as town on TL. I did it in survivor because I knew it would get the pressure off me and as town that is also important. The difference here being that it is really early in the game but still.
I am not sold on coag scum atm at all. On March 19 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: Exactly my thoughts.
I am not skimming rayn atm cuz he is rayn and I need to keep up with him cuz we will be super duper scumfinding bros but I am not anymore interested in finding out what Coag means with his posts. I am simply not going to lynch Coag. Rayn is MY super townie friend tho.... Jelly. But yeah. I don't understand how you could NOT want to lynch coag after all this nonsense. Ragin is not a good reason and he has been bullshitting continuously since the initial pressure. This is how Koshi looks at Coag Coag post seal (cool he is town) ---> Coag is superactive (cool now he is even more likely town) ---> Coag posts something lets-call-it-silly (w.e) ----> rayn goes ham (ok let's support rayn and see if Coag responds properly) ---> Caog responds quite rage likely (I am back ok with Coag) ---> 120 posts related to coag that are hard to read (fuck this shit, I am not lynching Coag) Now this is interesting considering this: Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:06 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time? I should. Because I am smart & talented. It was obvious to me he was town. I told you why a couple times but you wouldn't listen. So pls don't tell me I didn't told you why you should have stopped the tunnel. I did so in 3 different posts. Care to explain how the green and red go together? Well. That is awkard. It wasn't obvious from the start and yesterday I was somewhat conflicted but with a clear head I could totally have seen him town. Somewhere I knew he was town, even though one can never be sure sure.
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On March 19 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:10 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote: The only thing odd about koshi is when he said coag wasn't overdefending but agreed when coag said dp was overdefending for a lot less What do you conclude about that? Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that. Talk about thrawn please How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets. Should we lynch thrawn for it? I want to discuss him and it's nothing to do with association it's reads that don't add up with motives: Says me and dp are town but wary that one of us is full of crap - gives himself a scum on one clause Says i could be scum because of fluff related to dp but ignores everything else Says dp could be scum because of x, y, z, a, b, c but the doesn't poe dp after saying all the things I've pointed out about dp. Either he agrees with me in which case i shouldn't be poe'd because he's sheeping me or he disagrees with me and i shouldn't be poe'd because he said I'm probably town It's a fault of mindset This reminds me of hogwarts when we had an internal check on our house and I PoE'd it down to you right after I finished calling you (and everyone else in our house) town.
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DarthPunk is Djodref this bad or is he mafia?
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On March 19 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 19 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You NEVER explain why you think Coag is town. NEVER. In any of those posts Koshi. he was constantly explaining why coag was not scum. In light of the fact that there are only two alignments in the game, a binary function of notscum=town should apply. Show me one legit reason from Koshi's posts that can be considered as a towntell. notscum=town to me until explicitly stated null or otherwise.
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Hopeless it's like i care but i really don't. This is nothing like hogwarts, there's no red check it's thrawn posting something that doesn't make sense. Either respond about it or respond to something else but stop using scenarios that don't apply.
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On March 19 2014 22:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi show me those posts where you tell why Coag is town. Maybe i am missing something because i can't find it in your filter. It was not that Coag is town. But that you were painting him too red for something that wasn't extremely bad in my eyes. I also wanted you to look at other people and not spend all time on Coag. It wasn't doing the town atmosphere any favors. Looking back at my filter I was pretty protective about Coag from the get go but like I said, I am talented. On March 19 2014 08:28 Koshi wrote: I need better punctuation sometimes. Point is: Coag typed stuff to type stuff. Even though it was disruptive, it was not scummy. On March 19 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote: Well, it is a bit over the top. But faking anger (or showing it) works as town on TL. I did it in survivor because I knew it would get the pressure off me and as town that is also important. The difference here being that it is really early in the game but still.
I am not sold on coag scum atm at all. On March 19 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: Exactly my thoughts.
I am not skimming rayn atm cuz he is rayn and I need to keep up with him cuz we will be super duper scumfinding bros but I am not anymore interested in finding out what Coag means with his posts. I am simply not going to lynch Coag. Rayn is MY super townie friend tho.... Jelly. But yeah. I don't understand how you could NOT want to lynch coag after all this nonsense. Ragin is not a good reason and he has been bullshitting continuously since the initial pressure. This is how Koshi looks at Coag Coag post seal (cool he is town) ---> Coag is superactive (cool now he is even more likely town) ---> Coag posts something lets-call-it-silly (w.e) ----> rayn goes ham (ok let's support rayn and see if Coag responds properly) ---> Caog responds quite rage likely (I am back ok with Coag) ---> 120 posts related to coag that are hard to read (fuck this shit, I am not lynching Coag) Now this is interesting considering this: On March 19 2014 22:06 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time? I should. Because I am smart & talented. It was obvious to me he was town. I told you why a couple times but you wouldn't listen. So pls don't tell me I didn't told you why you should have stopped the tunnel. I did so in 3 different posts. Care to explain how the green and red go together? Well. That is awkard. It wasn't obvious from the start and yesterday I was somewhat conflicted but with a clear head I could totally have seen him town. Somewhere I knew he was town, even though one can never be sure sure. So you are saying you did not consider him town yesterday but you still kept defending him with no real reasoning and tried to make me do something else but didn't tell me what i should do instead. Which is also pretty weird considering your stance in last games (also in this game at the start) has been "shhep marv & rayn, they totes right on D1 if town".
Yes Koshi, that is really awkward and i would like to hear how you explain this.
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On March 19 2014 21:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 21:05 Koshi wrote: Even though I can now see why people think Vivax said sensible things. I believe that these things are not what Vivax should be talking about 10 hours after it happened. After 10h nobody solely talking about things that happened 9 hours ago is horrible. Even if it is true it holds no value anymore.
Vivax ends his horrible opening post with the desire to keep talking about this. He asks Holyflare/Hopeless to explain what they did. NOBODY fucking cares about this explenation, especially if it is going to be picked up another 10 hours later by Vivax again.
So what is Vivax going to do next? Talk about what hapenned in the second hour of this game?
Vivax is very likely scum. But I going to give him a chance to come in here and be fully updated on EVERYTHING that happened and push is reads into this thread using at least 40 posts. I like this Koshi. Fuck yeah arbitrary parameters.
So I can start to ask questions again then No need for 50+ posts !
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On March 19 2014 22:31 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless it's like i care but i really don't. This is nothing like hogwarts, there's no red check it's thrawn posting something that doesn't make sense. Either respond about it or respond to something else but stop using scenarios that don't apply. It is a very similar situation. I called you town, then I was coerced into naming one of our house scum so I resorted to PoE.
Thrawn has no such pressure on him and did it of his own free will but the mentality of "one of them is probably scum, which one...hmmm...this guy" still applies.
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On March 19 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:28 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi show me those posts where you tell why Coag is town. Maybe i am missing something because i can't find it in your filter. It was not that Coag is town. But that you were painting him too red for something that wasn't extremely bad in my eyes. I also wanted you to look at other people and not spend all time on Coag. It wasn't doing the town atmosphere any favors. Looking back at my filter I was pretty protective about Coag from the get go but like I said, I am talented. On March 19 2014 08:28 Koshi wrote: I need better punctuation sometimes. Point is: Coag typed stuff to type stuff. Even though it was disruptive, it was not scummy. On March 19 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote: Well, it is a bit over the top. But faking anger (or showing it) works as town on TL. I did it in survivor because I knew it would get the pressure off me and as town that is also important. The difference here being that it is really early in the game but still.
I am not sold on coag scum atm at all. On March 19 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: Exactly my thoughts.
I am not skimming rayn atm cuz he is rayn and I need to keep up with him cuz we will be super duper scumfinding bros but I am not anymore interested in finding out what Coag means with his posts. I am simply not going to lynch Coag. Rayn is MY super townie friend tho.... Jelly. But yeah. I don't understand how you could NOT want to lynch coag after all this nonsense. Ragin is not a good reason and he has been bullshitting continuously since the initial pressure. This is how Koshi looks at Coag Coag post seal (cool he is town) ---> Coag is superactive (cool now he is even more likely town) ---> Coag posts something lets-call-it-silly (w.e) ----> rayn goes ham (ok let's support rayn and see if Coag responds properly) ---> Caog responds quite rage likely (I am back ok with Coag) ---> 120 posts related to coag that are hard to read (fuck this shit, I am not lynching Coag) Now this is interesting considering this: On March 19 2014 22:06 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time? I should. Because I am smart & talented. It was obvious to me he was town. I told you why a couple times but you wouldn't listen. So pls don't tell me I didn't told you why you should have stopped the tunnel. I did so in 3 different posts. Care to explain how the green and red go together? Well. That is awkard. It wasn't obvious from the start and yesterday I was somewhat conflicted but with a clear head I could totally have seen him town. Somewhere I knew he was town, even though one can never be sure sure. So you are saying you did not consider him town yesterday but you still kept defending him with no real reasoning and tried to make me do something else but didn't tell me what i should do instead. Which is also pretty weird considering your stance in last games (also in this game at the start) has been "shhep marv & rayn, they totes right on D1 if town". Yes Koshi, that is really awkward and i would like to hear how you explain this. I did tell you what you should have done otherwise. Something about interacting with all the afkers to get a lot of opinions on a lot of people in the thread.
Because this game I felt strongely about Coag and I defended him. Just like I defended Balla against marv in the previous game on D2. When I have a strong opinion on something I will share it. If I don't have one I will sheep; I felt that Coag was town, I felt that thread didn't need so much hammering on that 1 post of Coag. So I defended Coag in the thread for it. Against you.
For me this conversation is over tbh. All the answers you could possible need are given by me. If you can't read my motivation behind my posting concerning everything Coag related it is a failure on your part.
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On March 19 2014 20:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote: HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff ↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? [snip] DjodrefYou are scummy for that very mehhhhh post about rayn not reacting on VE his seal. + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote: so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. 1) DP clearly uses meta on rayn to say that rayn is likely town for ragequitting like that. He says "Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum?". But you ignore the good meta point DP makes and adds some generic thing about how scum loves to go afk and stop contributing. HOWEVER You are talking about rayn here, the guy that just spammed up the entire thread with his push on Coag. Is that generic evasive scumplay? You do not mention this behavior at all, you do not mention what happened in the thread at all, you do not give opinions on anything. You just picked out 1 post and gave some lines that made it look like you were scumhunting. The fact is that he did nothing more than arguing with Coag until that point. I didn't play for more than a year so I have no idea of rayn meta but it looked to me that it was a very easy way to not post in the thread.2) The thing about the seals is just bad. rayn obviously ignored the first drawn seal from Coag & VE. After rayn asked me why I was defending Coag and I used the seal in Coag his defense, rayn asked Coag if it was the real seal and only after Coag posted his real seal rayn went afk. The first seals posted by Coag and VE had nothing to do with rayn going AFK and rayn didn't react on BOTH seals. And I find it strange that he ignored the first seal given his reaction to the "real" one.Conclusion: I do not know if you are lost town or lost scum. But I hope you pick up your game and start posting your ideas into this thread. Stop asking questions but just post your ideas and we will comment on what you think. Build your scumreads like that and automatically you will be seen as town.
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