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Silvanel
Poland4656 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4058 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6246 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:25 SilentchiLL wrote: Are you serious? And are you the same poster who basically posted baseless assumptions about how evil the EU is as facts a few pages ago? Don't be stupid. The easiest set of people to manipulate are the poor and the hungry, all you have to do is give them a push and it goes out of control, then new people come onto the scene and the cycle continues. In the modern age there is no such thing as a unicorn, and no such thing as a spontaneous protest. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10524 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On February 19 2014 13:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: I guarantee I know far more history than you about every country you list save Yugoslavia. Im a history professor. On February 19 2014 09:25 Cheerio wrote: update: the military base, from which the armored vehicle (or a few of them) was trying to leave for Kyiv, has been overtaken. An agreement has been reached that the soldiers would leave the base unarmed and the arsenals would be sealed. The event has been incredibly unorganized. While some of the protesting people were trying to extinguish the fire in one of the barracks some others kept throwing molotovs at it. Where do you get this news? No media reported this,western or Russian. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
go go Berkut finally those bandits will be wiped out User was warned for this post | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 08:25 Cheerio wrote: Why do people supporting Yanukovich mix up East and West all the time?.. Why don't u ask em? | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
It shows that Ukraine is a divided country. Pink is anti Russian,blue is pro Russian. No election will resolve that. Broad political agreement is needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukr_elections_2012_multimandate_okruhs.png | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:00 Liman wrote: Here is a map of 2012 parliamentary election. It shows that Ukraine is a divided country. Pink is anti Russian,blue is pro Russian. No election will resolve that. Broad political agreement is needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukr_elections_2012_multimandate_okruhs.png Potentially, our country might be divided on two, which automaticly puts western part even in more horrible financial position, cause most of heavy production and light production are situated on east :/ And it means no more dotations from east to west. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6246 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Potentially, our country might be divided on two, which automaticly puts western part even in more horrible financial position, cause most of heavy production and light production are situated on east :/ And it means no more dotations from west to east Don't worry, the paradise of EU will more than make up for the country being landlocked and having no industry. The great and humble people that set fire to things on the street will come to power and no more evul dicktator. Just like Libya! Now they are eating sand instead of food and living the good life under sharia law. edit: trust me davion, you don't want to live in the part of the country the neonazi's take over | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4656 Posts
So this mess is Ukrainians own doing. Yes EU tried to to influance Ukraine, but it failed. All it can do right now is watch. The one and only outside source with influnce in Ukraine is Russia. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:36 zeo wrote: Don't worry, the paradise of EU will more than make up for the country being landlocked and having no industry. The great and humble people that set fire to things on the street will come to power and no more evul dicktator. Just like Libya! Now they are eating sand instead of food and living the good life under sharia law. edit: trust me davion, you don't want to live in the part of the country the neonazi's take over I'm fine with dividing, it won't affect my life in wrong way, more likely it would be even better, but not all the people living in western part are neo-nazis, and yea, they deserve to live in a better country, but the ways they're trying to change it - barbarian ways, so i part away. As well as Yanukovich won't be a person I will vote for next elections, I can even hardly imagine who would it be. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:36 zeo wrote: Don't worry, the paradise of EU will more than make up for the country being landlocked and having no industry. The great and humble people that set fire to things on the street will come to power and no more evul dicktator. Just like Libya! Now they are eating sand instead of food and living the good life under sharia law. edit: trust me davion, you don't want to live in the part of the country the neonazi's take over I guess we are talking sources like these? USA Paid riots neo-nazis You might wanna broaden your horizon a little. You have to wonder, why almost any western media has very different interpretations... | ||
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zeo
Serbia6246 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I'm fine with dividing, it won't affect my life in wrong way, more likely it would be even better, but not all the people living in western part are neo-nazis, and yea, they deserve to live in a better country, but the ways they're trying to change it - barbarian ways, so i part away. As well as Yanukovich won't be a person I will vote for next elections, I can even hardly imagine who would it be. Completely agree with you. Just that I didn't say everyone in that part of Ukraine is a neonazi. There were many people in western Ukraine that threw flowers at the feet of occupying soldiers in 1942, I doubt many of them were nazi's, the people leading them were, the rest were just betraying their own country and people. Bandera lost back then. Bandera will lose again today edit: You have to wonder, why almost any western media has very different interpretations... http://www.channel4.com/news/kiev-svoboda-far-right-protests-right-sector-riot-police http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/22/ukraine-protests-europe-far-right-violence http://world.time.com/2014/01/28/ukraine-kiev-protests-thugs/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/world/europe/unease-as-an-opposition-party-stands-out-in-ukraines-protests.html?_r=0 http://www.ibtimes.com/svoboda-rising-spectre-neo-nazism-ukraine-974110 | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 18:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Potentially, our country might be divided on two, which automaticly puts western part even in more horrible financial position, cause most of heavy production and light production are situated on east :/ And it means no more dotations from west to east Exactly. The Western Ukraine has been donating to the Eastern while the latter has been barely paying taxes to the central budget due to the incredibly high corruption. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3163 Posts
On February 19 2014 19:09 Cheerio wrote: Exactly. The Western Ukraine has been donating to the Eastern while the latter has been barely paying taxes to the central budget due to the incredibly high corruption. Corruption is high all across the country, west does not have something to sell(donate), only tourism. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 19 2014 19:18 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Corruption is high all across the country, west does not have something to sell(donate), only tourism. 1+1 provided some info that proves you wrong. It was some kind of statistics of how much an Oblast pays to the central budget and how much receives. Harkiv was paying more, but Lugansk and Donetsk had a huge negative saldo. Have fun with your allies ripping you off. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
"50 criminals titushki covered by 20 police destroyed about 30 ambulance cars that took wounded protesters into hospitals" | ||
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