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Is there any reasoning or have i missed something?
I am personally leaning towards 3 scum being in Mattchew/sidesprang/Mordanis/bum/JJD.
bumatlarge looks definitely best from those people, last game he had no balls to even counter my arguments against him as mafia, as town he attacked me pretty hard in NMM D1 because he felt like i said something scummy. While he is fucking wrong about the meta (that was really bad) i am not sure if it's mafia-esque.
JJD looks the second best. He's putting effort to the game, while i don't like his conclusions i can see where he is coming from if he is town. I also like his vote on sidesprang who only goes after anything he can even say is lynchworthy and every time it gains no traction he fucking disappears and continues having no opinions.
gumshoe's case on Mattchew is good.
Mordanis keeps flip-flopping around with no real opinions at all.
~rayn
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On February 19 2014 11:24 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:17 roundabound wrote:Robik, let's talk. You don't want to lynch Mattchew, that's pretty clear. I have no fucking idea why, but if you don't want that, who do you want to lynch? You said this: "lynch into Grack/Mordanis/jjd/sidesprang" Specifically who and why? I am not going to support Grack lynch, that's for sure. If we decide as a majority to lynch him today, that's fine...but like. It hasn't even been 24hrs and we are about to lynch someone that hasn't spoken. That's just badbadbad. I don't have the time right now to go into detail about those people, but I assure you that I will at some point either tonight or tomorrow. We spent 4 days trying to lynch someone on d1, but now that we have MORE INFORMATION, we are rushing to vote someone off before 24hrs pass. CMON. Just fucking unvote and let's analyze further and talk some more and figure out who the BEST VOTE is.
Putting someone on L-2 has nothing to do with wanting to quickhammer someone.
It's the pressure. If he is town scum can hammer him, and it won't even be a loss because he is playing against town wincon by being abosulutely useless and worthless to the town atm. I do not count on him making good decisions even if he is town. He needs to talk. And quick.
Again, you avoided the question. Who do you want to lynch? You can't just say "don't lynch this guy" and not give an alternative. Make a case please.
~rayn
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And our opinion atm is the best vote is Mattchew.
Who's yours?
~rayn
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On February 19 2014 05:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
screw it
##unvote
##vote sidesprang
I dont care that people don't think we should talk about roles. Sidspring claimed Cop and asked for protection right before the deadline. I can't think of a single towny reason to do this. I want an explaination. oops forgot to post this in voting thread.
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Does anyone think that Raynsta has an at least remote chance of being scum?
Even just slight suspicions. I'd like to know.
I suggest you analyse what happened pre-shiao-pi-lynch. I think those are voteswitches that
1. Show how Mocsta wasn't afraid of mislynching in his switches (ie going for the quick hammer on anyone without clearly establishing a preference.
2. How Rayn didn't appear trying to push his own preferences. If you look you will see that Rayn constantly advocates a SS lynch, Mocsta basically any lynch. I struggle to find Rayn saying anything about Shiao, which is worrying cause he would have had to in order to effectively push a sidesprang lynch.
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
~V
I think this series displays adequately of how mocsta was desperate to get a lynch going. Long days are extremely tiresome for scum. I'd also like to know (albeit late) how Mocsta suddenly got the idea to claim scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2014 22:02 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:On February 15 2014 18:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
this answer better be excellent or you gonna get lynched. I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon. will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it. ##unvote
##Vote: QuantumPope .... Sorry Rayn. ##Unvote
##Vote: ShiaoPi
Why? Original ShiaoPi: I dont think im a lynch candidate, so fuck this shit; im voting QP for zero reasons. Translated ShiaoPi: This town derpz, yo. Im gonna take a big massive dump all over it.
IML this fucker right now. ~moc On February 15 2014 22:05 roundabound wrote:Like, wtf is this shit. These posts are essentially consecutive. Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 17:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hey sorry I was busy the last couple of days, will be catching up now
any questions ppl want me to answer immediately? Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 19:16 Ange777 wrote:
ShiaoPi (3): bumatlarge, VIVAX420, Mattchew
]ShiaoPi is the vote leader Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon.
will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it.
##unvote
##Vote: QuantumPope Guys, seriously. Im over this Day1. Lynch ShiaoPi. Scum has given up clearly. ~moc On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.
##Unvote
##Vote: BumatlargeIt worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood. sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking. On February 16 2014 18:54 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote:
Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell. This is as much as a cop out easy vote as Bum. Factoring in his previous play and complete unwillingness to divulge information, this is most certainly an opportune vote. .. I havent read gumshoe catchup post yet, so not sure how his vote of me ties in yet. .. mattchew vote, cant tell if its a joke or not based on the convo with vivax420. i am more so surprised he dropped his shiaopi read for this. am curious how he follows up. ===== So sidesprang + bum def looking terrible from all this. ~moc On February 16 2014 21:41 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again? Can't remember. I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts. At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum. ##Unvote
##Vote: MordanisLets just get a hammer on someone. ~moc
Also, the part in which he says that sidesprang looks terrible from this. If Rayn was pushing sidesprang but not really anyone else, how did Mocsta still prefer Shiao instead of cooperating with his other head? Cause he was closer to getting lynched.
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I told Mocsta i was okay with ShiaoPi lynch because he refused to play and then i was not online any more. I was really bored because the game got stalled like ~30 hours before the lynch and didn't give a shit.
Vivax go read LXIV and how i pushed my lynch when people disagreed with it. I don't honeslty care anymore if people want to be fucking stupid and not read properly. I am not going to repeat my cases. In LXIV i voted bumatlarge every single fucking day after D1 after making a solid case on him, and got shot down every single fucking day. I just don't give a fuck if people don't want to listen..
Go read my case on sidesprang from D1, or go read Mocsta's case on Mordanis from N1. Those are the lynches we are supporting atm besides Mattchew, i am not going to repeat myself. I don't care how it looks, it's your fault if you don't read properly or disagree.
~rayn
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On February 19 2014 11:25 roundabound wrote:
Is there any reasoning or have i missed something?
I am personally leaning towards 3 scum being in Mattchew/sidesprang/Mordanis/bum/JJD.
bumatlarge looks definitely best from those people, last game he had no balls to even counter my arguments against him as mafia, as town he attacked me pretty hard in NMM D1 because he felt like i said something scummy. While he is fucking wrong about the meta (that was really bad) i am not sure if it's mafia-esque.
JJD looks the second best. He's putting effort to the game, while i don't like his conclusions i can see where he is coming from if he is town. I also like his vote on sidesprang who only goes after anything he can even say is lynchworthy and every time it gains no traction he fucking disappears and continues having no opinions.
gumshoe's case on Mattchew is good.
Mordanis keeps flip-flopping around with no real opinions at all.
~rayn
For Mordanis I wouldn't really describe him as flip-flopping around. I think he's actually been rather bold with his accusations - giving reasoning against you/moc vivax/kush and Bum when everyone else is focused on choosing a lurker.
As for Sidesprang I sort of buy his not caring attitude and I'm inclined to believe this to be him making fun of me for "not voting a townie" while having my vote on him. He could be scum though and is definitely deserving of a policy lynch if he is town.
On February 19 2014 07:31 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:26 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 07:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm being pretty damn lazy about doing the voting analysis. If someone wants to do it for me that would be great. Well of the 4 people u want to lynch: Grack and sidespring voted for town, Mordanis didnt vote @ all, and I tried to vote for Grack and sidespring. LIES AND SLANDER! My vote was not on ShiaoPi because I was not reading the thread around the time that ShiaoPi got hammered. True, your vote was on me. So do you think I'm town JJD ?
I'm in the process of reading JJD now - I'll see if I can substantiate my feel.
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Vivax
I have noticed this game you refuse to take a firm position on anything.
Instead you put out some musings and let others carry the work load for you
This pattern is repeating again.
Your argument is dumb. You are saying that because I find people in this game suspicious it is scummy to reassess votes.
What I am doing is being accountable and constantly trying to solve the game.
This is the polar opposite of your play.
And your point about hydra difference of opinion is equally flawed.
We both post freely and trust each other because there is nothing to hide.
That u think it is an issue rayn and I don't share the same priority targets is a very weak argument.
~moc
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On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax.
~rayn
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Grack
Do u think a townie would ignore discussing my case when doing a thread summary?
~moc
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On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn
+1
~moc
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On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn +1 ~moc
Mocsta confirmed town.
~rayn
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On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Does anyone think that Raynsta has an at least remote chance of being scum?
Even just slight suspicions. I'd like to know. I think ur more likely to be scum out of the 2 of u. But then again I don't think I've ever read rayn correctly.
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On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person?
On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows.
On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him.
I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on.
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On February 19 2014 11:50 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn +1 ~moc Mocsta confirmed town. ~rayn
TOWN CIRCLE
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On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:
Grack
Do u think a townie would ignore discussing my case when doing a thread summary?
~moc
For your reply you so desperately want:
I've already said that I don't terribly mind being lynched early. I'd much rather get as much solid analysis as possible out and get out early so others can view my analysis without the nagging doubt of alignment than spend all my time convincing everyone I'm super duper confirmed town. With that in mind, should I spend the little time I have defending myself against a full-filter case or look at other people? Without spending too much time on this, I'd say that your observations were pretty accurate, that I'm playing a really shitty game. So really the only way I can convince you I'm not scum is to play better mafia. Better use of time + only way to argue against your case = the way I go.
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Mordanis what's your take on cases presented on D2 other than yours? Do you think you can get bumatlarge lynched and if you do, why are you not pushing the case more or asking opinions on it?
~rayn
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On February 19 2014 10:27 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:07 Mordanis wrote:More on DNP/bum Both were primarily focused on Shiao, and aside from that tidbit I'd say DNP is null/town read bum, however, is very scummy. Aside from the post I talked about earlier, he's mostly just given fairly bland policy. E.G + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2014 05:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Hi
Gonna read the thread but two things
1) being apathetic to who are the hydras helps to read them. I've played with and against hydras, and it's a lot harder for them as scum then as town. Town hydras tend to not focus on interactions and have a more aloof sense of the game. Good scum hydras attempt to do the same, but where it gets funny is when they need to defend themselves. Then they let you know who's doing the talking lol
2) if a blue role needs to claim, just say blue, especially I you are boxer. This happened last game with a few people claiming boxers when I was a cop, and it kinda narrowed how open my claim would be. I would just keep quiet and do the setup math in your head until later. On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote:
How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line. On February 15 2014 16:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 16:24 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote:
How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line. I think there are pros and cons to going slow. A lot of people have discussed this. I would like to lynch shaopi now, mostly because I'm bored. I don't like IML. I don't see the cons, but talking about feels like a waste. I don't like IML as town. As mafia it's great! On February 16 2014 02:35 bumatlarge wrote:
That said, I'm still on the go slow plan. Gumshoe/replace isn't here, and until then we can afford to wait. On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this.
Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? On February 16 2014 09:32 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:some short summary to work with: townreads: ShiaoPi - most obv town ever (yay!) DNP/Bumatlarge - leaning town roundabound - pretty surely in town scummy guys: quantumpope - feels like best lynch today mattchew - nonfactor and nothing to show for mordanis - see above vivax - this one is more tricky. I did not like the entrance and the half assed shit on thrawn. he is doing the same shit to me. Quoting not my last scumgame and also a large one instead of a mini/smaller sized. just fyi that is the first post from my last scumgame: On June 09 2013 13:42 ShiaoPi wrote:
sooo....anybody here? also would you in the interest of all please start signing your goddamn posts? kush and vivax are at least in my opinion totally different players and it makes a shitton of difference who is posting. Makes me feel like you are purposely doing it to confuse us. rest is pretty much nullish. see you later (yea I am a lazy guy) I hope you know this post is why people are voting you. Put it this way, you are making it really easy for mafia to vote you, and town won't be able to tell. QuantomPope seems to be fitting his meta that he had in the LSB Restart game, which lead him to be shot by a vig. He was a boon to my mafia team, and gave us a strong edge just because of how much a single misread town player trips up town from figuring the game out. You can't really accuse people for calling out bad play as town, so it keeps the game from developing which is ideal for mafia. You are currently in that boat. It is very easy to avoid getting lynched day 1 as long as you remain active and open. Look at Robot, I'm not a big fan of how he is approaching the game, but I would be surprised if he flips scum this game. It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think! Lazy people get lynched dude  I know this first-hand. *Editor's interpretation: Hey, I think you seem like town, but you are an easy candidate for lynch, so we are going to lynch you And there's plenty more, so please read through bum's filter. In general, bum has come into the thread after ~3 days and completely failed to bring a fresh perspective. He has also done essentially no scumhunting aside from going after Round for claiming scum. He voted Shiao early, and then seemed to talk to Shiao as town, without any effort to find any scum. ## vote bumatlarge Let's chat mord. I probably did get too hung up on Round, but I did everything I could to get a better understanding of ShiaoPi's play this game. No one questioned his views from a town standpoint, and i think you can see why I was trying to stall the lynch on him by the other post you call me scummy for. Nothing I did indicated I knew anything about ShiaoPi's alignment, and I have him every opportunity to explain himself. I'll take the blame for lynching a townie, but what ou are looking for in my posts require assumptions about my alignment. Look at my reasoning from a town viewpoint, and I can guarentee it makes sense. I'll answer anything I missed if you want. I'm going to try to figure out Matthew, but it may take me some time to do him justice. I suggest going slow again this cycle.
I don't agree. You've now been a participant for nearly half the game, and I still don't really see any scumhunting. Even looking at your posting in the best light, you've really only tried (unsuccessfully) to determine if a lynch candidate could be town, and tried to lynch a player who claimed scum. This is why I think you are a great lynch candidate, because I think that you are very scummy and aren't helping anyways.
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On February 19 2014 12:15 roundabound wrote:
Mordanis what's your take on cases presented on D2 other than yours? Do you think you can get bumatlarge lynched and if you do, why are you not pushing the case more or asking opinions on it?
~rayn
I'm not pushing harder because I simply haven't had enough time at the computer to push harder. As for Matt, I think the case on him is quite strong. I'm going to have to read his filter and the cases posted against him in the next little bit, but for sure I don't want to rush a lynch this early into the cycle without hearing from him. We should probably avoid another 4 day cycle if everyone stops giving a shit, but long days => more information.
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On February 19 2014 11:47 roundabound wrote:
Vivax
I have noticed this game you refuse to take a firm position on anything.
Instead you put out some musings and let others carry the work load for you
This pattern is repeating again.
I'm hesitant to lynching when there are so many unknown alignments. Kush put the vote after I unvoted. Thrawn pretty much knew how to play IML. Lengthen the days, increase the time town has. You prefer to opt for quick lynches and get frustrated with no occurring lynches even when there are so many options for people being scum.
Besides, you might want to get to the point with your made observations. Do you suspect me of being scum or is this just something you wrote as offensive defense.
~V
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