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roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 01:46 GMT
#1281
On February 19 2014 10:44 VIVAX420 wrote:
where is teh case put forth?

Read the thread

This is now the second time with me you are shooting ya mouth off with no knowledge of thread occurrence

gumshoe made a case....

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:47 GMT
#1282
On February 19 2014 10:45 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.

Lynch bait suggests town. But u say he doesn't look townie

What is it.

Is he lynch bait, null or scum

~moc


i mean he doesn't look esp townie but he is
Kush and Vivax
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 01:53 GMT
#1283
So u are certain he is town?

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:54 GMT
#1284
On February 19 2014 03:15 gumshoe wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys, I got role blocked last night. I feel pretty flattered about it.

My primary doubt in lynching shiao a few days ago was that I had a pretty solid scum read on mattchew, but I figured they both couldn't be scum because Mattchew was pushing him softley towards the start of the game(ie looking for traction minus the heat), and pretty openly as we approached lynch. With the flip bieng what it is, I'm almost certain that Matt is scum and I'm pretty impressed with how little attention hes gotten.

This is Mattchews longest post.

rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around.

Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town

Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum

So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP



Heres what this post is saying line by line.

1: Hard meta defense of a fairly null player.

2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons?

3: Says im interesting, but is scared to outright call me scum?

4: A list of lurkers and current lynch favourites.

This posts says very little, and yet it's his most content heavy, whats more it comes off almost as cowardly, like hes scared to accuse someone who will actually post back. I've never known Matt to be someones whose scarred to make accusations but this game he seems only willing to go after lurkers. His play comes off as fearful.

You can see that fear on display early on in the game here.

I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment.

( Easy way to take a stance without saying anything)

here

rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently

(eager to diffuse potential fights in the making)

and here, where he responds to a huge post belonging to dont panic by saying

"i'll sheep this other than jarjar"

The only two scum reads in donts post are jar jar and shiapi... This is the safest sheep I've ever seen. He can always point back to it if someone accuses him of jumping on the shiapi train but at the time its such a soft admission thats it's easy for it to go unnoticed. Which it did for the most part.

Mattchew is playing obsencley diplomatic this game, which is scummy in of itself and doubly so considering it just doesn't fit his play style.

With the lone exception of his read on Side Mattchew doesnt make arguments, or explain his convictions, he just throws his voice around and assumes it carries some weight. He has no interest in promoting town discussion, or defending himself, or providing reasons for his accusations. Its probally meant to come off as belligerent townie, but I've played with Matt before and this game he just seems to have no interest in developing the thread whatsoever, although he does seem to want to look like as if hes contributing and present when town needs him.

In general, Mattchew, a fairly argumentative player has done his best to avoid and diffuse arguments, ie here he attempts to dodge a fight with Rayn.

Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do?

i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct


Rayn posted a reasonable case on Matt and Matt deigned to only respond to this one emotional tidbit. When Rayn got aggravated with the deflection Matt just ends the argument with an ultimatum that he knows Rayn lacks the power to act upon.


finally, he responded in similar fashion to my call out of him by saying I'm "interesting" and leaving it at that. He drops the thread there until much later in the game, after I've been inactive for a good long while, and says this.

mordanis and gumshoe would be great lynches



Once again no reasoning, and once again the target of his affections are two lurkers who may very well not post back at all.

The shallow boldness of his accusations are in direct conflict with the coward like manner in which he engages others. It's as if hes combined the worst bits of town bravado and scum passiveness to form what might very well be one of the most useless in game entities I've come across.

I also find Grack and Mordanis pretty fishy, but I'm not that confident about the Roni and as for Mord (whose done extremely little, even taking into account his trip) it's the same story as before, I dont think Matt and him are scum together and this time I aint going to make the mistake of not choosing Matt. But if the wind blows thier way I wouldnt mind lynching either of them.


Rather not lynch a lurker today, that didnt really work out last time (although Shiao wasn't exactly a lurker).

As for the night kills, I'm pretty sure scum were just trying to snipe blue, cant see any other reason why they would kill Thrawn.

Anyone have any questions for me?



this case is not good. He basically describes what is in my understanding how mattchew always plays, but puts a biased scummy spin on everything "OBSCENELY DIPLOMATIC" for reals?
I feel like im reading fox news with that case,
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:55 GMT
#1285
On February 19 2014 10:53 roundabound wrote:
So u are certain he is town?

~moc

i THINK he's town.
i warn you not to go down this road where you defend yourself by tunneling me. it hasn't worked well for you in the past.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:56 GMT
#1286
Mocsta, expain to me, in your own words, why you find Mattchew worthy of a quick lynch today,.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:56 GMT
#1287
Kush and Vivax
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:03 GMT
#1288
On February 19 2014 10:56 VIVAX420 wrote:
Mocsta, expain to me, in your own words, why you find Mattchew worthy of a quick lynch today,.

That's an extremely scummy misconstrued depiction of events.

I am not advocating a quick hammer. I am advocating a scum lynch. Frankly I see nothing wrong with 4 votes of 6.

It is now genuine pressure to respond and if he is town and scum want to insta hammer then be my guest

I already gave an addition to gumshoes case on Mattchew.
As town in my experience Matthew pushes Ppl regardless of sentiment. E.g. Marv. Though he is a lurker by activity standards it is still transparent where he stands on key topics.

This game is filled with apathy and overall I don't know where he stands.

I agree with the case put forth

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 19 2014 02:06 GMT
#1289
IF YOU GUYS DON'T UNVOTE MATTCHEW AND WE REACH IML, I'M JUST GOING TO START LYNCHING EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON HIM...IDC IF HE FLIPS MAF OR TOWN
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 02:11 GMT
#1290
On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.

I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew.
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:12 GMT
#1291
On February 19 2014 11:06 IAmRobik wrote:
IF YOU GUYS DON'T UNVOTE MATTCHEW AND WE REACH IML, I'M JUST GOING TO START LYNCHING EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON HIM...IDC IF HE FLIPS MAF OR TOWN

Get off your high horse.

U haven't given a single reason why the votes are misplaced nor why they should be removed

Then u ignore questions direcrly related to it.

Explain thr above and i will give it consideration, until then there is no issue that i see.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:14 GMT
#1292
On February 19 2014 11:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.

I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew.

I have never said i oppose the Mattchew lynch. Why would you think so? I said the opposite, i said i basically made the same case on D1, that's not opposing. I wanted people's opinions on the case.

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 19 2014 02:15 GMT
#1293
If you want to vote him later that's fine, but there are 4 votes on him and he hasn't spoken today iirc. 6 votes is maj. I explained my reasoning about it plenty of times. Again, you and rayn don't have to agree with my reads or reasoning, but having your vote in a place with the possibility for people to snap maj lynch without us knowing during the night is either super scummy, or just garbage play.
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:17 GMT
#1294
Robik, let's talk. You don't want to lynch Mattchew, that's pretty clear. I have no fucking idea why, but if you don't want that, who do you want to lynch?

You said this:
"lynch into Grack/Mordanis/jjd/sidesprang"

Specifically who and why? I am not going to support Grack lynch, that's for sure.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 02:17 GMT
#1295
On February 19 2014 11:14 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 11:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.

I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew.

I have never said i oppose the Mattchew lynch. Why would you think so? I said the opposite, i said i basically made the same case on D1, that's not opposing. I wanted people's opinions on the case.

~rayn

That's the impression I got from your aggressiveness towards me for not following your case earlier and the nitpicking of Gumshoe's post.
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:17 GMT
#1296
that was :

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:19 GMT
#1297
Grack if Mattchew was off the table who'd you lynch?

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 02:20 GMT
#1298
On February 19 2014 11:19 roundabound wrote:
Grack if Mattchew was off the table who'd you lynch?

~rayn

JarjarDrinks
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 19 2014 02:23 GMT
#1299
On February 19 2014 11:15 IAmRobik wrote:
If you want to vote him later that's fine, but there are 4 votes on him and he hasn't spoken today iirc. 6 votes is maj. I explained my reasoning about it plenty of times. Again, you and rayn don't have to agree with my reads or reasoning, but having your vote in a place with the possibility for people to snap maj lynch without us knowing during the night is either super scummy, or just garbage play.

This is where we disagree.
Most likely this is an issue of forum pedigree vs live mafia pedigree.

There is more accountability in forum play because of post history.

What i am saying is. 4 votes is a good amount of pressure to gauge a genuine reaction from mattchew. U r effectively cock bloxking this by asking to remove votes.

With your scenario if 2 ppl want to hammer mattchew without letting him speak... Well that is their acciuntability and we shall deal with it accordingly.

In short we are in a position to assess people voting mattchew and to elicit a genuine response from mattchew.

Win/win

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 19 2014 02:24 GMT
#1300
On February 19 2014 11:17 roundabound wrote:
Robik, let's talk. You don't want to lynch Mattchew, that's pretty clear. I have no fucking idea why, but if you don't want that, who do you want to lynch?

You said this:
Show nested quote +
"lynch into Grack/Mordanis/jjd/sidesprang"

Specifically who and why? I am not going to support Grack lynch, that's for sure.

If we decide as a majority to lynch him today, that's fine...but like. It hasn't even been 24hrs and we are about to lynch someone that hasn't spoken. That's just badbadbad. I don't have the time right now to go into detail about those people, but I assure you that I will at some point either tonight or tomorrow. We spent 4 days trying to lynch someone on d1, but now that we have MORE INFORMATION, we are rushing to vote someone off before 24hrs pass. CMON. Just fucking unvote and let's analyze further and talk some more and figure out who the BEST VOTE is.
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