On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote:
mordanis - TOWN
He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases.
if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum?
You lump and categorise players too hard.
Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page.
Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit
On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote:
It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum.
brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone.
Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not like
Blue: First promise of "mega contribution"
On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote:
I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it?
On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play...
No conclusion fluff
On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote:
I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie.
Theory ramble. Null
On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote:
Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking.
Second promise of "mega contribution"
On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote:I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings.
I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke).
Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.On vivax
I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post:
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote:
People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want!
do you talk a lot as scum too?
vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case.
That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance.
Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote?
On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads?
Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...
On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 22:24 VIVAX420 wrote:
i misread actually. I thought he was saying i had a hell of a scumread on rob because i asked him a question. actually he said hell of a townread.
Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content".
Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.
On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 18:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Mordanis did you reach any conclusions about robik? I can't tell if you're trying to sell both robik/vivax as a scum team or if you thought robik could be mafia purely based off of his own play.
I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either.....
Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either.
On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote:
Hey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while.
Another excuse to not fulfil his own promise
On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote:
The more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax. To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd]
Hopefully more coming soon!
Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking
"STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us
simpletonsBlue: 3rd promise of more contribution
On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him.
Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable.
An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given.
Why?Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment.
On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote:
thrawn timeline:
lurk scumstyle
start tryharding because vivax caught him
continue to lurk when the pressure goes down
As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not?
Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.
Vivax, mordanis is scum
QED
Please lynch, me falling asleep here.
EPT
