EPTOn February 12 2014 21:35 KatatoniK wrote:
Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova?
Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova?
Yes, he was.
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:35 KatatoniK wrote: Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova? Yes? Not even close. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please, is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans) Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans) Am I right or did I miss something? (I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. | ||
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:27 Destructicon wrote: No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival. In the ender saga it's a little bit more complicated than that, even if at the begining the bugs are described as evil ! | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
 Panic he is the most talanted StarTale player but his group was very strong  On February 12 2014 21:35 KatatoniK wrote: Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova? Yes Zest and Trap were the favorites and not because they are protoss but because their results in 2013 were much better and Leenock and SuperNova were losing a lot. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote: Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. Yeah but balance should be much better today than 2 years ago. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16834 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:27 Noonius wrote: I mean, how can protoss players say that the planned nerfs are gonna mess up pvp. It can't get any worse than what we just saw In term of favorites/better player winning, it's quite good recently. At least it's less coin flippy than it was. With the MSC nerf, the coin flip is likely to be back. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9336 Posts
The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted, and thus a possible explanation is simply variance - either in terms of results or simply a couple of terrans being superior to their protoss and zerg counterparts. However, for almost 6 months, we have had protoss being extremely dominant everywhere (ladder, foreign scene, korea etc.), which gives us a much stronger indication of a balance problem. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16834 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:46 DiMano wrote: Very sad for Panic he is the most talanted StarTale player but his group was very strong I wouldn't say he is the most talented one, but he sure has potential to become the staple protoss for StarTale. I think he has it in him. Losing to those 2 players is expected. Next season, he might be a greater force to be reckoned with. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:43 Philozovic wrote: In the ender saga it's a little bit more complicated than that, even if at the begining the bugs are described as evil ! In the Starship Troopers movie it's not quite clear that the bugs are evil. And besides, we all know that in Starcraft 3 the grand reveal will be that the zerg are actually cuddly and friendly creatures that meant no harm to anyone and that were forced against their will to kill stuff thanks to psionic mind control. | ||
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote: Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:48 Hider wrote: The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted, and stuff like that could easily be explained by variance, either in terms of results or simply a couple of terrans being superior to their protoss and zerg counterparts. However, for almost 6 months, we have had protoss being extremely dominant everywhere (ladder, foreign scene, korea etc.), which gives us a much stronger indication of a balance problem. In the beginning of Code S it was also impossible to drop down to Code A. If I remeber correctly you needed to lose in the first round of Code S (be last in your group), everyone else stayed in. So basically once you got your spot it was much easier to hold it than in current format. Yeah it was like that I just checked it out. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution for example Ensnare, MKP, Nada were third in their groups in October http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_November/Code_S but in November they were still in Code S So only the last guy in group would actually drop out. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote: Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. Do not remind me about these seasons plz I have had enough nightmares about this year. Uncountarable 1-1-1 any day every day and zergs had no idea how to counter 10 min terran 3 tank pushes... | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:49 Wintex wrote: I wouldn't say he is the most talented one, but he sure has potential to become the staple protoss for StarTale. I think he has it in him. Losing to those 2 players is expected. Next season, he might be a greater force to be reckoned with. To be correct here the most talanted was Avenge but he retired then goes Pet and then Panic, Zero and Booster unfortunately lack results | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:48 samurai80 wrote: In term of favorites/better player winning, it's quite good recently. At least it's less coin flippy than it was. With the MSC nerf, the coin flip is likely to be back. The same has been said about ZvZ (Idra: "Overlords should be able to teleport to the opponents base in ZvZ) and TvT can be random aswell. All match ups can be when scouting is denied. However, still having a flying 9-vision unit instantly, free hallucination, Oracles and what not should still atleast give some information regarding what is going on on the other side of the map. I find the argument about PvP becoming coinflip so weird - as if Protoss should have free scouting to always be able to make the right desiscions. Its not like any other race have that luxuary. Why dont we just turn of Fog of War in PvP? See it from the other perspective - every Terran build not including safety vs Blink, Oracles, gate-all ins, etc. is coinflippy because Terran dont actually have great ways to scout all of this. I never hear any complaining words from Protoss players regarding this O.o I am sure we wont see weak Protoss players taking games from Parting, Zest and the likes just because a vision change on the MSC. The players has to be a lot more even for that to happend. Watching the games today, I can say there is no doubt that the best Protoss players would have won vs Ruin and Panic any day, any week with Vision 9 or vision 14. They just are not at the same level as the top Protosses. | ||
Seeker
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18260 Posts
On February 12 2014 21:35 KatatoniK wrote: Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova? As everyone who said it before me, yes he was. | ||
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